Kasz216 said:
whatever said:
Kasz216 said:
Yeah, except in all of our history of trying that... it's never worked.
Kensyian economics has never worked... It didn't work under FDR, It didn't work under Nixon... all it ever does is create a double dip that prolongs the recessession and makes things worse. It will happen again here. We had some good GDP growth this quarter but it was all due to inventories rising in quanitity higher then expected. Which means it will be a drag in further quarters likely leading to a big double dip. Private spending will decrease with public spending... because the incentives to spend will disapear.
Furthermore, we're recovery from a downturn in the economy that was caused by government intervention causing a downturn in realesetate markets across the country, that cause the derivitives market to crash.
The economic downturn's problem was basically government interefereing and causing problems that the banks couldn't account for, because such problems were unheard of and impossible to happen in normal circumstances.
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I know we've already hashed this out in another thread. I just wanted to point out that your last 2 paragraphs are far from the consensus, and are more in the minority, of the real cause of the global economic downturn. That cause being the unregulated derivatives market was itself the problem.
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Except... it's not the minority viewpoint. I just don't think you understand the arguements of the people who blame the derititives market primarily.
Which is, if it wasn't for the derivititives market then real estate downturns wouldn't of caused as big a crash.
It's the exact same viewpoint. It just depends on if you want to put the blame on the first few dominoes or the rest that fell.
Considering the first few provide no benefit... while the rest (the deritivitives market) are repsonsible for most of the wealth in the world....
Ask anyone, and they'll tell you the derivitives crash was caused by real estate being down in all sectors which is virtually unheard of, and never really happened in the history of real estate. Derivities are build and balanced so that there will always be something in each one that will back up the failures even a vast majority in each one fails. However when they ALL fail. Nothing in the world is going to stop that.
Blaming the derivitives market would be like blaming a company from protecting itself from fire burning down some it's factories, but not protecting itself from fire burning down all 8 factories across the country simaltaniously.
People blaming the derivitives market are really blaming them for not factoring in the governments incompetance and inability to not damage the country in knew and unthought of ways.
Derivitives CAN NOT crash by themselves.
Derivitives are basically like playing Roullette where you have 3-1 odds on Red and Black.
So you bet on Red and Black and for every 100 you bet you get 300.
The ONLY way you lose is if 0 or 00 comes up in a very statistically unlikely number of chances. Like 100 times in a row. Basically something that's never happened before... without a rigged system.
Which is why you want to avoid rigged systems.
People and least of all governments don't have perfect insights... so fixing it so it's all black now, might lead to problems in the future.
As was the case with the real estate market.
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