scottie said:
Hephaestos said:
1there are laws for a reason, Illegal immigrants are by definition breaking the law, why pitty them? do you pitty the guy that raped your daughter? 2 Do you pitty the pickpocket that stole your wallet? no
by being there they:
3_have to work illegally -> no taxes which means basically stealing from the people of the country.
4_ have to rely on people providing them housing, insurance.... illegally -> support of balck market and of various mafias.
5_don't integrate as well because they have little access to regular institutions, often by fear as they are here illegaly.
6_ Cost money in some countries (France) where we pay for the children's school, their health care... although they are not supposed to be there and don't pay taxes -> further steal from the people of the country.
what do they bring? nothing that legal immigrants don't.
Actually, illegal immigrants give a bad immage to regular immigrants. For example in my country, immigrants are often seen as not integrating and prone to be trouble makers.... why? because illigal immigrants don't integrate and their kids have no structure arround them and just go into gangs. The goal of the illegal immigrant in france is to come here and give birth on the land, as there is a birth right to french nationality, which gives the right to the familly to stay with the kid..... in essence if you want to migrate here just have a baby :p
I have nothing against immigration, i'm myself son of immigrants (legal ones).
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1I don't accept that the law defines morality. There have been, and still are, some obviously unjust laws, in the USA, and around the world.
2 I do pity anyone who is driven to crimes such as pickpocketing or illegal immigration as a result of extreme poverty, or the threat of violence etc where they currently live.
Points 4 and 5 contradict 6 btw.
As for point 3, I'm not saying that illegal immigration doesn't disadvantage those who live in the rich western nations, but considering that legal immigration is not possible for these people, and that we in the rich countries do fuck all else to help them, maybe we should accept a slight economic burden.
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Let me just see if I follow....
If my lot in life is far worse then yours, I should feel empowered to take from you? Let's say I live in the street, and you own a 3 million dollar home. Let's say you come home one day, and I have snuck into your house and happen to be sitting on the couch.
Forget sitting on the couch, I am working my ass of in your home. Let's say I cleaned up the place, and chose to keep the place clean. Does this mean you should be obligated to feed me, house me, provide medical insurance for me?
This is the exact same concept.
