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Kasz216 on 29 October 2010
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Killiana1a said:
TheRealMafoo said:
Killiana1a said:
TheRealMafoo said:
richardhutnik said:

The norm for government run welfare is to take money from others via taxes (money people don't willingly give) and hand it over to a system with individuals who do the work as a job.  


That's not welfare, that's government employment. Welfare is handing it over to individuals in which you get no production in return.

The problem with this system, is you take the liberty of one group, to care for another. Where is the compassion is stealing from a group of people your elected to represent?

Look, if I became president and found a way to feed/house millions of people without taking from others, I would love to do it. But as an elected official of the US Federal Government, I would have to take an oath to uphold the Constitution to all I represent. This means I am not allowed to take from people, regardless of how good of a cause I think it is. I just don't have that authority, just because I have the power.

No one who is not a Libertarian understands that. As soon as you do, you will become one.

How much in no-bid contracts and the annual Federal budget would you allocate to the military industrial complex? How much would you would you allocate to farmers in subsidies?


Well, bidding on something is not the problem. There are things you don't ask for a bid on, because you know only one company can do the work. Why ask people to spend millions of dollars on something, when you know it will mean nothing?

That said, 90% of the money we spend on military I would end. I would end both wars. I would also end farmers subsidies.

I would end federally funded education. I would end Social Security, I would end Welfare, I would end military buildup. If there is a need for military research (and in some areas, there is), I would continue to fund it.

If there is no military need for NASA, I would end it.

I would aslo submit to repeal the 16th amendment (federal income tax).

I would put our money back on some standard, so a dollar has real value.

I would remove 95% of all the laws the federal government has made. I would remove laws that make drugs illegal, gives tax breaks to people who have kids, tax breaks to home ownership (this is where the federal government should collect it's money).

The Constitution was a document designed to limit what the federal government could put there hands in. Today, they tell you what you can eat, what you can drive, what you can wear, what your allowed to live in, what kind of medical care you must have, and something about every faset of your life. This is not what the federal government was put in place to do.

The things I want to change, 120 years ago, was the way things were. It's not crazy talk. Over the last 100 years the US Federal government has used its power to take control over everything.

Do you think we are better off for it? I sure as hell don't

Thank you, I appreciate the response and informed political view. I find it hard to disagree with many of your suggestions as I am employed in the private sector and have no stake as a public worker.

Do I like taxes? No, but I realize they are the cost for living in a society such as the USA or any industrialized nation. That being said, when USA today shows Federal bureaucrats averaging $70k/year in income and state workers $50k/year in income, while the private sector in total only averages $40k/year in income per worker, then something is seriously wrong.

Deficits and public sector compensation, benefits and pensions are primary factors in driving the Tea Party movement. I find it hard to disagree from these angles, but once you get the kooks talking about doing away with the separation of church and state, then I start to wonder if the media is right in the Tea Party movement being another fountain for the Christian Right?

 

Yes and no.   It's not really a fountain for the Christian Right... they reached out to left leaning conservative democrats... but the media scared them away.  Republicans and Independents overwhelmingly don't buy the "they're racist" angle, but something like 70% of democrats buy it.

The democrats and media did a good job of screwing up the social side... because they knew a fully realized Tea Party would basically be a Democrats for a LOT of people who vote Democrat, like the Union Democrat..

It will be interesting to see how it evolves really.  As there are a lot of indicators saying the Tea Party will pretty much be sticking around for a while.


One amusing side event is the Republicans may be relegated to "minor party status" in colorado in the governor's race, because the OFFICIAL republican might get less then 10% of the vote, with the winning Govonor actually being from the Constitution Party.