What is compassionate about a nation having a welfare system?

[Mr Khan]

Killiana1a said:

TheRealMafoo said:

richardhutnik said:

The norm for government run welfare is to take money from others via taxes (money people don't willingly give) and hand it over to a system with individuals who do the work as a job.  

That's not welfare, that's government employment. Welfare is handing it over to individuals in which you get no production in return.

The problem with this system, is you take the liberty of one group, to care for another. Where is the compassion is stealing from a group of people your elected to represent?

Look, if I became president and found a way to feed/house millions of people without taking from others, I would love to do it. But as an elected official of the US Federal Government, I would have to take an oath to uphold the Constitution to all I represent. This means I am not allowed to take from people, regardless of how good of a cause I think it is. I just don't have that authority, just because I have the power.

No one who is not a Libertarian understands that. As soon as you do, you will become one.

How much in no-bid contracts and the annual Federal budget would you allocate to the military industrial complex? How much would you would you allocate to farmers in subsidies?

See, I graduated high school in a farming town in NE Oregon. Many of my classmates were the sons and daughters of wheat farmers who owned massive amounts of acreage. Due to the yearly fluctuation in wheat prices, these farmers got subsidies to either not grow on a portion of their land to keep prices stable and/or got directly subsidzied with taxpayer dollars during years when the worldwide price of wheat was low.

Coincidentally, these sons and daughters of wheat farmers drove around in new cars many of which were volvos and beamers. How is subsidizing farmers for not growing or for not getting the price on their crop they want different from giving money to a single mother who is incapable of getting a job due to a lack of education or discrimination?

Personally, I see both no-bid contracts, annual budget allocations to private sector firms conducting military research, and farm subsidies as welfare. Yes they are creating a product that is either essential (food) or assists in the defense of the country. However, they have not earned it by working for it. They earn it simply by the status of their field of work in the eyes of almost all conservatives.

Farmers and the military industrial complex gets vastly more in Federal taxpayer dollars every year than every local, county, state, and federal welfare program comprised into a single unit. Where is the outcry from the right about the welfare we are giving wealthier individuals and organizations?

The right knows that its support (in part) comes from farmers and big business. Proper Libertarians are (or at least should be) opposed to these things, but you must remember that Libertarians do not represent the right, even though their interests are merely overlapping momentarily in this election cycle