sapphi_snake said:
Killiana1a said:
sapphi_snake said:
Killiana1a said:
@OP
Just because a national leader does not share your political and world views does not mean she is the second coming of Adolf Hitler.
As for Christian vs. Secular values, man does one need to study up on history. The Christianity one loves to demonize occurred during the Middle Ages. Since then, we have had the Renaissance and the subsequent rise of secularism in the 20th century.
Thusforth, Christian values are the foundation for which secular values could take root and grow. Without them, we may be living in some polytheistic tribal culture where if you offend one God, his followers will stone you to death. So please, consider the alternatives and history going all the way back to Socrates on through St. Augustine to Nietzsche.
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Rome was a polytheistic tribal culture where if you offended one God his followers woul stone you to death? And what are these Christian values which were original, and actually invented by Christianity?
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Not Christian per se in the fundamentalist sense, but preserved by Christian monks and Muslims during the Dark Ages. Without these Christian monks and Muslims preserving the works of Socrates and others, we would have a far different set of values than we have today.
As for inventions of values, it was more or less a preservation of history that flowered into a growth in humanism during the Renaissance onto what we in the West have today. (1)Both the monks and Muslims (Great Library of Alexandria) are equally responsible in preserving Greek philosophy and math.
(2) All values stem from a philosophical underpinning and are interpreted to fit within a particular religious viewpoint. For example, St. Augustine who is a classic theologian and philosopher had his randy youthful days, grew out of it, studied up on ancient history and re-interpreted that Greek philosophy in such a fundamentalist sense that is still alive in Catholicism today concerning premarital sex.
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(1) Christians (and muslims) are responsable for the destruction of many texts from the Library.
(2) I don't see why the "values" that you mentioned are in anyway usefull to the human race. I'd say quite the opposite. I don't think that individual's work has any value.
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This leads to some questions on my behalf?
1. Who are your biggest sources for your worldview?
Personally, mine are Thomas Jefferson, Alexis de Tocqueville, Friedrich Nietzsche, Ayn Rand, Socrates, and Gore Vidal.
2. If your understanding of "values" does not stem from philosophy or religion, then where do your "values" originate from?
Mine stem from my modestly religious upbringing of going to youth group from middle school all through high school, my higher education of 7 years resulting in a Bachelor's and Master's degree, and my personal life experiences living in towns as small as 17,000 to big cities ranging up to 1 million. I will say, those who live in small towns are more decent because you are not some anoynmous cog in a wheel where you can offend people then move to another part of town with a new job; instead in a small town everyone knows you, has an opinion on you, and your words are carefully measured and judged.
