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superchunk said:

ProdigyBam said:

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Sorry mate,the bible and the quran are not the same thing.

most of the violent things in the bible are written historical events, while the 104 orders to kill non-muslims in the quran arent historical events but orders meant to be followed till the end of time.

 

if you want to understand the quran, you need the hadiths too, because only then you see the historical context.

just read this

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm

the most disgustin things start at sura 8

and if you want a comparison of both christianity and islam, read this

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Jesus-Muhammad.htm

comparing jesus and mohammed, and the bible with the quran

1. You are wrong. The orders to kill "nonBelievers" (btw, that is not a Christian or Jew as they are also believers in the Qur'an viewpoint) were during times of war during Islams development. They were just as historical as any killing verses in the Bible.

2. You don't need the Hadiths. In fact the Qur'an forbades the use of any other book outside of "Gods word" and the Hadiths are not Gods words. They are supposed quotes and actions the Prophet did. The Hadiths actually contradict each other and the Qur'an often and they are the reason Islam is the way it is in Muslim world.

The Hadith's were written down generations after the Prophet died and they most definitely do not represent Islam based on what is described in the Qur'an. They are the works of people who simply wanted control and power.

Additionally, they are not the only sources of history on the time period and that website was written so biasly its obvious you need a new source. Try actually reading the various English translations from the link I gave you. By reading a few of them you can determine the best English way of representing the Arabic intent.

Finally, I'm at work at those links are blocked for some reason. Give me the actual surah/verse and I will be happy to discuss it with you.

btw, your Mohommad/Jesus comparison is silly. They came with different purposes and different times/situations. Jesus came into Judaism where Judaism was already popular. Mohommad came with the beleif of one God where that was extreamly unpopular and was taken as an attack on the entire way of life for Arabs in Meccah at that time. Furthermore, your history of Jesus is greatly distorted through years of manipulation by his followers. A study of religious history around Christianity proves that the events in the Gospels are definitely not the full story, have contradictions, and have been written by many authors as well as manipulated over the last nearly 2000 years.

1.
Everyone who doesnt believe in Allah and Muhammad as his prophet are nonbelievers, including jews and christians ("religion of the book")

heres one example from the quran:

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."  Quran (9:29)

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Whats muslim clerics tell /=/ study

give me a link, and btw not every study can be believed

many muslims clerics said that muhammad took some orders from allah and decided not to put them in the quran