| Killiana1a said: As for Creationism, all I have to cite is the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution, which Delaware Senate candidate Christine O'Donnell did not know until very recently: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." -US Constitution, 1st Amendment |
I did say that I didn't want this to turn into an atheist vs theist debate of any description. So I shall just say this on the matter and then move on. there's lots of juicy science for me to respond to when I'm less tired :)
The complaint that evolutionists have with creationists is not that they believe in creationism (generalisations ahoy :P)
If creationism is taught as science in a government funded school, then that violates separation of church and state, which most Athiests/Agnostics see as a vital part of a democracy.
As a basic summary of the majoirty belief amongst agnostics
Believe in Creationism = Go nuts
Share said beliefs with adults and politely try to convince them that your way is right = your right as long as you don't mind if they do the same to you
Teach said beliefs as science to your own children = probably not really your right but we know when to pick our battles and we know we wont win this one.
Teach said beliefs to other peoples children when their parents would wish them to have a secular or other upbringing = definitely not on and is infringing upon the rights of said children, and described by the bit of the constitution that you just quoted up there ^
Obviously, anyone who does actually try to prevent you from believing what you want to believe is a dickhead, but the majority of us agnostics aren't actually all that bad :) And I hope I didn't offend you with the OP, I can end up insulting people without realising it at times, my point was just that generally discussion about the anthropic principle is pretty meaningless if you believe in a creator - it is tantamount to asking why God happened to be smart enough to make a livable universe, which (I spose I don't need to tell you) is not going to lead to a very long conversation.
