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*reads thread*

Man, I got quoted a lot!  All 8 can do is quote an old song:  "What a fool believes, he sees.  No wise man has the power to reason away."

Who's the fool?  Maybe me.  Maybe you.  Maybe it's Mr. T (who pities the fool, ironically).  Line have been drawn and nobody's gonna change sides.  Oh well.  Good debate, anyway!