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sapphi_snake said:

@Barozi:

Freedom of religion, a Christian value? - That's a secular value, not a Chirsitan one.

No forced marriages, a Chrisitan value? - It was practiced by Chrisitans up until a century ago. It's a cultural value, that has nothing to do with religion.

Equality for women, a Chrisitan value? - Islam has that one too. But in both Islam and Chrisitanity women are considered to be "equal" to men, but "different", each having already established roles (a woman's place is in the home, the man is the provider etc.). The "equality" between genders in Chrisitanity is totally different from teh actual equality in modern Western society.

She doesn't want anyone to become Christian with that statement.

Forcing someone to subscribe to the values of a certain religion is no different than forcing them to convert to said religion. Religion is something personal, so individuals can choose to follow the values of a certain religion, however society at large musn't adhere to the moral teachings of any religion, if religious freedom is something that society strives for of course.


That's just it; if Merkel wanted to highlight the cultural differences and try to integrate Muslims into Germany, she should have used WESTERN VALUES, not Christian values. She's presenting this argument as if Christianity is superior to Islam.

That is some pretty scary speech from a western world power. Still, it's a fallacy to compare her to Hitler and I think that's a bad road to go down because it dilutes your argument.




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