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Kasz216 said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:

Hahahahha, I came in here expecting an argument that the federal minimum wage was too LOW because it isn't actually a living wage.

Look at it this way: if you work a minimum wage job, THANK YOUR GOVERNMENT.  What that means is: that job would love to pay you less, but the government won't let them, because the government understands that without people who are alive, there will be crazy revolutions.  And people fought for that right.  It's called progress.

I didn't expect the crazy argument that "all progress is bad, because the constitution didn't say 'things could get better.'"  You know what else isn't in the constitution?  Rights for women, blacks, gays, children, or pretty much anybody that isn't a white male landowner.  So we had 2 options: amend the constitution, or burn it and start over.  Luckily we chose the former, and here we are, still getting better very slowly.

What's with farms not having to pay minimium wage anyway?  I mean that's one reason we have so much illegal immigration anyway.

Nobody wants to pick beans at 2 dollars an hour when you get paid more to not work.

I have no idea whose idea that was or what their logic was, but I've got a hunch it was bullshit.

Many states pay foodservers less than minimum wage too.  They figure "hey, you get tips, so uh... fuck you, you're getting half or a third of minimum wage, and you better hope you make the difference in tips, and if you have a bad day where you don't get too many tips, well, fuck off and die."  Luckily I'm in California where that's illegal.