Federal minimum wage is unconstitutional

[Mr Khan]

mrstickball said:

Rath said:

mrstickball said:

I agree with him.

It'd be an incredible world if the government didn't take 30% of everyones income. Imagine the living standards of the poor and middle class that had far less taxation.

Ultimately, major spending such as the mentioned (health care, pensions, ect) should be dealt with from a state or personal level. Many of the programs the government has that were listed (Medicaid/care, social security, ect) are utter failures, which cost much more than equivilent private programs.

What?

The poor would be well fucked if the government didn't help provide. I really hope you aren't naive enough to think that these ideas would help the poor, they would only help the wealthy.

Rath,

Please explain to me how the systems in the United States provide actual benefits to those that use pay into them, and to a level that cannot be reached in private systems.

For example, Rath, did you know that the average Medicare recipient requires nearly 4 times as much funding as the average recipient of government health care in your home country of New Zealand?

Did you also know that, in America, if you earn more than $22,000 per year, you will pay more into our pension plan than you will recieve?

I must ask you, Rath: Why should I support a system that is grossly incompotent? Why should people of any class pay into systems that damange people's income? I want poor, middle and rich classes to make more money. This can be done through payroll reforms, which encompass medicare/medicaid, social security, and such. If a person in poverty could make an additional $2,000 or $3,000 a year via payroll reforms, why not allow them to have that in their pockets today, rather than force them to live return-to-return?

There's a difference between arguing to change an existing structure and arguing for their utter elimination. The candidate in the OP is doing that, and you said you agreed with him. Rebuilding the system to something more efficient i can agree with, the problem is that the efficiency people tend to get lumped together with the nuts that just want to do budget slash-and-burn (though i note that they never want to touch many of the excesses in military)

There is room for debate on the effectiveness of programs, certainly, but not on whether they (or some program that would serve as a fitting substitute) should exist or not