pizzahut451 said:
kowhoho said:
pizzahut451 said:
I never insulted ALL statistics ever made. I just said that that one statistic sucked. I have absolutely nothing agaisnt the statistics as long as they are good, accurate and unbiased.
And i understood what you wanted to say. But you still cant say that an atheist is less likely to comitt a crime either. An individual atheist is less likley to comitt a crime? Probably. Atheists as a group of people are less likely to comitt crime and are more richer than other people? HELL NO! Thats why that argument is dumb IMO. To say that atheists are less likely to comitt a crime than christians or muslims or jews is wrong.
And let me put that really simple for you: A good christian is a good person who believes in the teachings of Jesus Christ. A person who steales, rapes, kills, aussaults people is NOT a real chrisitan, regardless if he believes in Jesus or not. Thats the way God sees things, and thats the way i see them too.
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You have no basis for the underlined. It isn't "wrong" to use statistics to predict the character of a person. Please explain to me how these statistics are anything but "good, accurate and unbiased." Without any reasoning behind that comment it sounds like you're just trying to find details that will support your argument and ignore anything that doesn't.
"Good" is also a subjective term. My "good" is likely to be very different from your "good." It is not an objective term to be used for definition.
And how do you know how God sees things? It's wonderful that you think that you share a kind of "holy vision" with him/her/it, but where do you get this statement from? Please don't use the word bible in your answer. >_>
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Neither do you. The statistic wasnt done on all atheist people in this world, so saying that atheists as a whole group of people are less likely to comitt a crime than christians or jews and muslims IS WRONG. There are atheists out there that are less likely to comit a crime, sure, but to say ALL of them are is pretty stupid, and i dont think i need to explain why.
Good person is not a subjective term. A good deed is not a subjective term as well. Whats your view on a good person? Is it the person who rapes, kills and steals?
I know it because Jesus said once (or it was one of his followers) that you DONT have to believe in him but rather believe in his techings. Jesus is son of God so i believe thats how God sees things too. Not to mention that is the only RIGHT way to see things as well.
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You can't say you know exactly what "good" is and then make arguments with circular logic. Saying, "I believe what Jesus taught because he said to believe it" is a logical fallacy.
I'll concede that the study may not have randomly chosen people from ALL OVER THE WORLD, maybe just the U.S. Whatever the population for the study was, you can reasonably predict that a randomly selected atheist from that group (be it the whole world or just the US) will have commited few or no crimes and will have a good income. I never said that all atheists never commit crimes, you're putting words in my mouth there.
Why in god's name (:P) would you accuse me of thinking that rape, murder and theft are good things? You're being ridiculous. Just so you know, a debate is lost once a debater has to take personal shots at the opposition.
