| tarheel91 said:
1) I don't need to drive the CR-V to make such a general observation. Basic vehicle dynamics says it won't be much good at this sort of thing. You're going to spend the majority of the course at full throttle because you can't accelerate fast enough to even approach the max speeds for most corners. When you do finally build up enough steam to take a corner at your tire's limits, it's going to understeer heavily thanks to a 60:40 weight distribution and you're going to have to fight it all the way through a corner. Fun racing that does not make. 2) "Flogging a car" is an expression to describe driving it on the edge and trying to extract every ounce of performance you can out of a car. Here's a video posted in another forum called "Fifth Gear's Tiff Needell flogging the M3": http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?s=af425fb7a9629ed5dd64e97dc514e664&t=424797 3) Wait, so you think because Spoon, who's whole business strategy is cashing upon the "JDM" obsession of neo ricers, is making aftermarket body kits for the CR-Z like they do every other Honda car it means that the CR-Z is now a fun car to race? No. That doesn't mean anything. Yeah you can throw springs and shocks on the car, but that can't change the fact that the chassis is designed for comfort and space and not rigidity and the suspension geometry was designed with a nice ride in mind, not a good roll center, pitch center, mechanical/pneumatic trail for racing. As I pointed out, a lot of the weight in this car comes from it's hyrbid drive train, there's really not much you can take away. A bodykit is not a performance part. This car doesn't even get fast enough for aero to matter anyways. Aside from getting rid of the catalytic converter, you're not really going to get much out of a new exhaust because the engine isn't moving much air in the first place. I'm not saying those modifications won't be available, but they won't cause any significant performance jump. This car will remain a boring car to race. |
Whatever dude its like im talking to a wall. Consider this my last comment on this discussion.
1."I first drove the CR-Z at a press junket, which included twisty (but unfamiliar) roads and an autocross circuit (a low-speed 1st- and 2nd-gear racetrack with lots of sharp turns). Overall, I was a bit underwhelmed. But out on Auto Club's fast track, the CR-Z's true character really came out. Not only is the CR-Z nimble, but it's surprisingly well balanced, even going so far as to kick the tail out in the bends. The technical term for that is oversteer, and it's a rare trait (and a rare treat) in factory-stock front-wheel-drive cars, most of which are engineered to understeer (plow straight ahead) so as not to surprise drivers in a panic swerve. The CR-Z wasn't terribly fast in the straights, but that meant I could push deeper into the corners before hitting the brakes, which held up very well to the abuses of track use. I was surprised and delighted"
http://cars.about.com/b/2010/09/16/track-day-surprises-honda-cr-z-and-lexus-is-f.htm
So yes you have to drive the car.
2. i wasnt saying you were wrong i was saying i have never herd it used that way.
3. You said " the antithesis of the car anyone would want to drive in Gran Turismo, and anyone interested in the car isn't going to be looking at it for its performance. There are plenty of other cars being released/unveiled at the moment that appeal far more to the type of person that would be interested in GT5" thats why i included the link. If no one wanted to race it and thought it was crap then why is there aftermarket parts for it? A company isnt going to design stuff for racing for a car that nobody does. So that right there is proof people see potential in the car for racing. you = wrong.
http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/crz-wraptivo-2010-09-02 people modding it for November's SEMA show.
What reviewers have said.
"The Honda CR-Z hybrid has been one of the most often-tuned Honda vehicles in recent time." - Top Gear.
""is set to become one of the most desirable cars on the planet" and concluded with "it's a lulu to drive". A lulu? Is that good?" - Mirror
"In short, the CR-Z is a car that anyone, from urban commuters to weekend racers, can enjoy" - Road & Track
Will any of this get you to stop thinking you know everything? No but hell i gave it one last try.
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