Final-Fan said:
Kasz216 said:
Final-Fan said:
Kasz216 said:
There really isn't any other option.
He promised the documents were there then asked for money.
So... if your McRae and you want to prove this... what are the options here?
A) He gave the money for the documents, and didn't receive them for one reason or another. If he did. We would of heard about it.
B) He didn't give the money... for... who knows why if he is desperaly trying to prove this?
What other option is there?
Furthermore, this is the same guy that "corrected" the initial translation.
He was either scamming McRae from the outset... or he was telling the truth.
Why would he tell McRae about said documents over private email if he was a birther paid agent to facilitate stuff? The only reason would be if said documents DID exist.
If they didn't wouldn't he instead be talking about something like a way to forge said records?
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I don't think you're getting me.
If he alerted McRae to the fact that the Obama clan was lying about the translation error, wouldn't that get them even MORE fired up to send him out for documents etc.? So I'm not seeing his motive to lie here even if he's a scammer, and even supposing his conduct in this situation was COMPLETELY dictated by his scamming plans.
And if he's not a scammer ...
"'From what [Obama's] brother in Huruma-Nairobi says verbally he refused 2000US Dollars from Dr.
Jerome Corsi, a white American who wanted to bribe him to get the same information but was immediately deported on [7-10-2008] by the Kenyan Government. According to him if we can raise ten times that amount then he is willing to help.' (Shuhubia's emails can be seen at
[edit: Apparently the rest got deleted. I said in a postscript that it's very possible that he honestly reported that conversation, and then when it turned up zilch turned to scamming to stay on the payroll. It's somewhat less believable that he's just credulous and got scammed himself.]
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I'm not suggesting he got scammed himself.
I'm suggesting he was scamming McRae in general and never planned to give him what he wanted, whether it existed or not.
If he wasn't scamming anybody, it means there really are documents.
I can't see why he wouldn't be scamming McRae and THEN decide to later on when he couldn't find any proof. To do that, he'd of had to of been 100% sure there would be proof before he started looking... or thought they were lieing to him.
Why would he think he was translating it honestly AND think there would still be proof out there to find that would get him money? That just doesn't jive... he would obviously know there wouldn't be anything to keep him on the payroll at that point.
If you ask me, a much better counterarguement for your point would be that he was scamming McRae from the start and intentionally mistranslated that sentence in a completely dumb way to convince McRae there was reasoning for him to give him money to find "real" documents linking his birth to Kenya.
Which in itself is possible, but other options aren't unprobable themselves and i'm not sure it's the most probable of them. Although I'd say that he corrected it, then only later realized he wouldn't be on the payroll ISN'T one of those possible reasons.
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Look, I think we're getting bogged down. Let me repeat what I thought was the key part, and which if I'm not mistaken you didn't really address:
"If he alerted McRae to the fact that the Obama clan was lying about the translation error, wouldn't that get them even MORE fired up to send him out for documents etc.? So I'm not seeing his motive to lie here even if he's a scammer, and even supposing his conduct in this situation was COMPLETELY dictated by his scamming plans."
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He did though... when he said he had those secret documents.
If he says they were covering it up right there on the interview... where is the money in that? You've already got a confession WITH someone calling them out as a liar. Do you really need to look for Kenyian documents that may or may not exist. Brother McRae likely just doing it for attention/political gain in the first place.
Every rare once in a while though, shit like this kicks up actual skeletons in the closet. Sometimes the exact thing being alleged, other times unrelated things.
If anything a coverup there BENEFITS him financially as they need more proof. While a straight up confession screws him out of more money... because they DON'T need him looking for documents.
Nor do I think he contacted McRae, I think he was likely contacted by them, and just found a way to use the situation to his benefit.
Heck, even if they really believe he's from Kenya. Why pay for documents that may or may no surface even and make you look stupid, when you have a confession. You don't need evidence when you get a confession, it's when investigations close.
