Final-Fan said:
Kasz216 said:
Final-Fan said:
Kasz216 said:
Final-Fan said:
Kasz216 said:
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2008/12/05/birth_certificate
Though they do explain it away trying to say it's a mistranslation... saying yes to "I was present where he was born" certaintly doesn't sound like anything you could mistranslate. She might of been confused. Afterall she'd have to be pretty old... however either being confused or accidently letting the truth come out and having to be corrected are both way more likely. |
Oh yeah, one thing I didn't think of until now ... one of the two translators was an agent for the birther people. If what she said was an admission that they only covered up by claiming a translation error, wouldn't he have raised a red flag? I mean, is it reasonable to think someone on McRae's payroll to dig up dirt on the birth in Kenya would have assisted in covering up an admission to McRae in his presence about that same birth?
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There was only 1 translator...?
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At this point I would like to direct you, again, to the document I referred to earlier from which I draw this information. Since you were apparently unable or unwilling to check it out yourself.
"An affidavit from Kweli Shuhubia ("Brother Tom") filed with the Berg lawsuit describes the procedure followed: 'During the interview conversation, one of Ms. Obama’s grandsons and myself acted as Swahili translators, and as Bishop McRae talked to and questioned Ms. Obama, we would translate what Bishop McRae said to Ms. Obama in Swahili, and then we would translate her Swahili responses to Bishop McRae in English. Ms. Obama can fluently speak Swahili in her native dialect, but cannot read or write.'"
"As noted, on Oct. 16, 2008 the American minister Ron McRae called the Obama household in Kenya, evidently from his home in Pennsylvania, with the help of his on-location contact "Brother Tom", also known as Kweli Shuhubia. In the days following the October 16 phone call, Shuhubia went searching elsewhere in Kenya for incriminating documents proving that Obama had been born in Kenya and sent emails to McRae seeking sums of money necessary to pry open the necessary documents from their top secret sources. Excerpts from these emails, which give the impression of being reports from someone on a paid assignment, were included as attachments to court filings associated with a lawsuit filed by Philip Berg of Pennsylvania challenging Obama's legitimacy to be President. There is no information on whether McRae responded to the requests from his African contact for money, or whether if he did he received anything back of value. In any event, apart from the unsubstantiated claims of sensational top secret documents in Kenya in Shuhubia's emails requesting money, no evidence has come to light proving Obama was born in Kenya."
ONE OF THE TRANSLATORS WAS AN AGENT FOR THE BIRTHERS.
So I ask you again, is it reasonable to think someone on McRae's payroll to dig up dirt on the birth in Kenya would have assisted in covering up an admission to McRae in his presence about that same birth?
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I wouldn't call him an agent of the birthers.
He was asking for money to open up and give him money to get the secret documents of Obama's birth.
No documents were produced... either
A) Said documents don't exist, and he was conning them out of money.
B) Said documents DO exist and he simply didn't produce them for one way or another.
At worse it doesn't effect anything at all... and at best it raises more questions about Obama because there are apparently birth records of his in Kenya. Such an exchange should make you doubt more, not less.
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So you're suggesting that he heard them lie about what she said, but didn't say anything because he was planning to scam McRae, and McRae somehow wouldn't pursue getting Kenyan records if he KNEW Obama was born in Kenya ... and also the payday for the translation coup wouldn't satisfy him.
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There really isn't any other option.
He promised the documents were there then asked for money.
So... if your McRae and you want to prove this... what are the options here?
A) He gave the money for the documents, and didn't receive them for one reason or another. If he did. We would of heard about it.
B) He didn't give the money... for... who knows why if he is desperaly trying to prove this?
What other option is there?
Furthermore, this is the same guy that "corrected" the initial translation.
He was either scamming McRae from the outset... or he was telling the truth.
Why would he tell McRae about said documents over private email if he was a birther paid agent to facilitate stuff? The only reason would be if said documents DID exist.
If they didn't wouldn't he instead be talking about something like a way to forge said records?
Isn't it MORE likely he just said the documents existed without doing much if any real checking to extort some money?
