I remember when micosoft said they dont need installs. look at what happened now. some systems don't have the hdd built in it too. I know some of the new slims couldnt play halo reach co-op because the 4gb slim doesn't have a hard drive. If you dont want bluray then you absolutly need a hard drive. With DLC (Forza for example), its almost like buying an incomplate game imo. At least they don't charge you for that.
C'mon now, Microsoft needs bluray.








