steverhcp02 said:
thismeintiel said:
steverhcp02 said:
Thats why this group is fringe. They essentially single handedly LOST DE for the repubs. The thing is, the tea party is conservative, endorsed by Palin and a number of other outskirts conservatives, they are the exact definition of Fringe the scary thing is its bringing a lot of these people out of the woodwork so there are a lot of them.
Honestly the tea party is probably the worst thing thats happened to the republicans, theyre turning inward on each other and instead of electing solid, sound republicans theyre calling each other names "Rino" and not focusing on the larger picture which will hurt them in the general election and hurt the party long term if people like Sarah Palin keep praising their efforts because it only divided the party more.
Rather than laying an outline of conservative policies i only hear little rhyming schemes "repeal and replace" "just vote them out" "the party of hell no" But nothing else. People like it when theyre angry, but once these characters like ODonnell get the nomination and people (IE non tea party voters who have to vote) see where these fun little rallies are getting them i have a feeling the tone will change.
It should be interesting, but the tea party really is the fringe of the republican party that attempts to masquerade itself as a Joe Six Pack group, but like i said, when the real Joe Six Packs see these people the tea party is endorsing and if Palin keeps praising them its going to be even more apparent as people begin to distance themselves from them.
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You make it seem like the Tea Party is a minority group, lead by elites. It's not. These are average Americans tired of big government and not liking where this country is headed. Really, the media and politicians bashing them is only giving them more power and more members. If it weren't mostly average Americans (you know the majority of voters), how would they have been able to defeat the "popular" Mike Castle, or any of the other career politicians, Dem or Rep?
And I wouldn't be so sure about losing DE. Some voters may have sour grapes because of what they felt was a sure bet (Castle) losing, but come election day they'll have healed their wounds. And the Republican party has already started supporting O'Donnell.
And of course all you hear are slogans, because that is all you want to hear. Just like all I hear from the left side are slogans. Hope. Change. Car needs to be in D to go forward. We're looking from the outside in. Do a little more digging and you would find substance.
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You do know how primaries work dont you? Its essentially your party electing who they want to represent them, its not a general election. This is why the tea party candidates will struggle when they need independant votes and may even scare off some republicans. The fact the tea party influenced a republican primary shows theyre republican in base, and the fact their candidates are lunatics shows theyre fringe and the fact Sarah Palin loves them shows how "average" they are.
The other bolded bit shows youve essentially bought into the masquerade. The more "tea party endorsed" candidates the general electorate see the worse for the republican party. Republicans will obviously start endorsing her because theyre struggling for some identity, republicans know they need to keep the tea party happy and they know they cant be associated with the tea party because it will scare off the independant vote, thats why its going to be tough come the GE and long term for the republican party. No one stepped up and it left the party without a coherant message and now people are screaming Rino and the base is latching onto the tea party when that wont appeal in GE's.
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Obama, as well as the Dems, have already lost most of the independent vote that put them there in the first place. Now only 32% approve of the work they are doing and want them to retain control of Congress. Support from minorities has declined, as well. Obama got 80% of the minority vote, but now support has dropped to less than 66%. And while 60% of all voters think we are headed in the wrong direction, almost 70% of independents feel this way.
And there is no massive masquerade with the Tea Party. A recent survey shows that only 57% of the Tea Party are actual Republicans. The remaining 43% are made up of Independents and Democrats.
So this Nov. is not going to be a walk in the park for the Dems. And all any candidate has to really get across is that their policies are different from Obama and those who are in Congress now.
