Atheism and morality

[richardhutnik]

sapphi_snake said:

richardhutnik said:

And it is also concievable that you subconsciously believe in God, but don't know it.  If you want to argue that a theoretical construct is able to be superior at coming up with a system of ethics than a good creator who fully knows that which s/he created, then you need to show what that construct is.  Don't go and say, "It is possible to be concieved", but then you don't show what it is.  You are speculating about a construct that may or may not theoretically exist, that is somehow supposed to be your counterpoint, but it doesn't show up in the discussion.

By the way, prove "Nothing is perfect".  Maybe there is something that is perfect.  We just don't know, just as you don't know if there is anything out there that could produce a superior ethics system to what is considered God by many.

I don't understand how I could subconsciously believe in "God"? Are you talking of the result of the indoctrination my parents and the schools in my country tried?

Well "God" is a theoretical construct which may or may not (most likely) exist, so let's say that the theoretical construct capable of coming up with a superior moral/ethical system is "God's creator" (he has to have one after all). Seriously speaking any person with the ability to think could come up with a superior moral/ethical system (not to mention that morals are subjective anyway).

As for me proving that "nothing is perfect", well I've never heard of anything being perfect, have you. No matter how good something is there will always be room for improvement. What do you know of that is perfect (other than made up concepts in your mind)? And the ethical system of Christians is not even close to perfection.

I gotten perfect scores on exams and tests from time to time.  That is a perfect score.

As far as the ethic system goes for Christians, it is "love".  And a perfect ethics system is far less important that people who do the ethics.