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steverhcp02 said:
mrstickball said:

The real issue is with voters during primaries.

That is why the system is so screwed up. People vote for the incumbent, or the person that promises the most, without learning about the candidates views and past successes. Voter turnout is usually 50% that of general elections in America (I should know, I've worked the past 3 elections in my state). If people care so little about who they elect as their parties candidate for the general election, things will go bad, because most end up voting based on party.

If primaries were better - people cared more about who was up for election, then we'd be putting forth much better candidates. America could of had Ron Paul as its GOP nominee. Had they had him, I believe Obama wouldn't be in the white house today.

As for Odonnell - my question would be 'what are her views when it comes to creating and writing laws?'. I could care less about their personal beleifs if it didn't get in the way of public policy. Thats something lacking from most peoples concerns, though. Many want candidates that look nice, but write absolutely insane policy.


To the first bolded. I agree. Thats the political climate and still is to be honest. People can watch a commercial and agree 100% with it, it gets to the end and they see its a republican (and the voter is democrat) and they dismiss the entire ad.

To the second bolded. This is why i tend to vote democrat. There is a CLEAR distinction in governing styles as opposed to personal beliefs. We see this with Pro choice issues, healthcare and the big one, religion. The GOP is so rooted in the absolute NEED to appeal to very religious, conservative people that they simply MUST govern based on their beliefs. This is what holds them back national. For primaries, this is why ODonnel gets in because its republicans voting for republicans and they like that batshit insane shit, for real elections it simply doesnt appeal to a lot of peopl.

The GOP will surely win a lot of seats simply because like you said earlier, people are disillusioned based on what their image of what the president promised was however, like always, the GOP will be far too concerned with their base and the tea party will not help since that base is becoming not only more vocal but more fringe.

What ive found interesting in many polls about healthcare and such, the GOP always points to "approve/disapprove" but never really expand on whats the cause of diapproval. Because many of the debates centered around a public option (that base dems wanted) and was crafted more centric (this is essentially the same proposal made by the house during Clintons attempt in the early 90's and that was made by republicans) people dont realize many of us that disapprove of the current healthcare disapprove because it isnt enough, and thats why likely voters actually will vote, according to polls, more in favor of someone who voted FOR healthcare than against it, because we know damn well if we disapprove because its not enough we arent going to think a republican will get it done.

How exactly are the Tea Party a fringe group now?  They have only 2 talking points they want to happen.  One is to shrink the size of government, which has gotten too big and controls WAY too much.  And second, to cut the outrageous spending.  I don't see how any of those are "crazy" ideas.  I support both of them and I wouldn't cosider myself crazy.