Atheism and morality

[Kasz216]

Badassbab said:

Kasz216 said:

oldschoolfool said:

Kasz216 said:

So what are saying? I barely graduated high school. lol

There is something about religion that does seem to make people more "moral" in actions... as has been shown in studies involving charity. 

My guess is that it's nothing intrinsic... and probably nothing teaching wise... probably not even an "angry god in the sky"... but likely related to the peer pressure via community.

Although it's just a guess and could be the previous two reasons as well.  It would be beneficial if atheists began to form "church like" larger communties that were visited by a lot people who's purpose is to try and convince people to be nicer and help out.

It'd be interesting to see studies between very religious people who's religions don't involve any kind of church or community, and atheists.

 

It's a hard thing to study and do research on though, because any sociological study is pretty much going to be co-opted by someone to say "Atheists are immoral and evil!" or just shouted down by atheists who "want their side to win and be the best at everything!"

Not sure what your getting at. As in say human rights organisations such as Amnesty International with over a million members (including myself) are not 'moral'? There are thousands of charities with no religious affliation nor will they restrict volunteers and workers to atheists for non religious moral reasons.

Are you seriously suggesting atheists should do what they shouldn't do and form a charity with a restrictive membership based on professing atheism? There are plenty of atheist groups one can join which up dates members what atheists consider to be immoral religious teachings. As pointed out numerous times, morality is subjective and evolving.

You couldn't of missed the point any harder if you tried.

Likely because your in "angry self defense mode" rather then "lets look at the numbers and causes" mode.

I'll try and explain again, though it'll be hard to do in a different way.  Please try and look at it from an objective viewpoint and don't assume anything.

1) On average (note: average)  religious people are more likely to give money, blood and effort to both secular and nonsecular charities.  If you are currently religious, there is a much higher chance you are going to donate to charity and give blood/donate time.

2) We need to find a reason for why this would be true.  My hypothesis is that the church works as a large community that peer pressures people into doing the right thing.

Lots of people go to churches who may have moderate to no interest in helping people.

Almost no one is going to join amnesty international unless they REALLY want to give to charity.  Also, you don't have to be catholic to donate time or money to a catholic charity.

As a LOT of charity people will tell you, there is a LOT of untapped money and potential of people who want to be charitable... the only trick is, you need to find ways to coax it out of people.

So what atheism should do if it grows, is find a way to create a "Church like" community like churches, that draw in everybody and then individually asks for help and support.

The point is, getting people to go to a charity event... who wouldn't normally go to a charity event... it's pretty much the biggest dilema charities have had since... well existance.

Religion is much better at in general "reigning in morality" just based on the fact that it's a meeting of the community.

 

I think it's likely that rather then the particular religion, since religion doesn't seem to matter.  All that does matters is that you practice it.  Statistically that is.