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Kasz216 said:

Instictivly as moral.  Yes.  As a group there may be some issues... though I think the "curve" would just put the center not that far off "standard deviation" when ruling out outliers.

A few things to think of.


A) We've got to consider as moral in practive.  I think it'd be hard to argue.  religion likely keeps a decent amount of "immoral assholes" in check that their atheist brethern wouldn't be. 

Of course it's probably not that large a number... but still a statistically relevent number.

B) We would also have to look at the general teaching of morals... religion tends to give an "easy guide" to morals teaching.  Though sometimes they're used the other way.

"Full bred" atheists also are fairly rare as I understand it.   That is, people who have been Atheists for like 2-3 generations straight.

C) Atheists on average give less to charities, both religious and secular.   In studies religion seems to actually correlate pretty well with charitable donations, chariatble work and blood donation.  

D)  Religion gives people something to organize around.  Therefore when you have outliers like Al Queda... they can do much more damage.  Being outliers though i'd rule them out as well as any serial killers etc.

It really breaks down to if you believe morality = What you believe.

Morality = How you act.

Morality = How you WOULD act.

Or

Morality = What you believe AND how you act.

For example... Hitler vs Jeffery Dahmer. 

Was hitler more immoral then Dahmer?  If Dahmer had control of hitlers empire would he of killed any less?  When it comes to premediatated sociopathic killers is there really levels of immorality?

So what are saying? I barely graduated high school. lol