Final-Fan said:
Kasz216 said:
Final-Fan said:
2. Well -- whatever the case may be about people's "Republicanness" -- the fact remains that, IIRC, according to that poll, 90% of people in regions other than the South (over all parties: Democrats, Republicans, and independents) already believe this, while a total of 10% are unsure or disbelieve. At that point, as I said, I believe it's extremely hard to get those last people to change their minds.
As you said, it's not quite that extreme with independents over all regions (including the south). And as I said -- which you somehow interpreted as the opposite -- the number over all parties in the south is much lower, so there's no telling how many people in that region may be convinced; I suppose it would depend on what made their rate of belief differ so much, although IMO it strains belief that some sort of bias wouldn't be involved.
3. I don't know what I said that suggested to you that I thought they WOULD have access to birth certificates. I think you misread something.
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2. I still don't see your point here then. The number of overall parties is lower in the south... i still don't see the point. You can claim biases everywhere however. Heck, maybe more southerns care because the south cares far more about immigration issues then the rest of the country since they deal with it the most.
" I doubt "most" reporters would bet their professional reputation, and job, on it being the closest hospital to the home he lived at in childhood (as opposed, IIRC, to the one listed in the birth notice in the papers), "
And it keeps getting shorter because it really is a very short phonecall. Heck you don't even need a phonecall. You could take 30 seconds after a reporter asks you about it and say "Heck, I give you permission to aks the hospital personal yourself! Bam, it's on tape. Done.
Besides, it doesn't change the fact that what I said in fact is possible and he's avoided such an easy manuever to debunk said things. That makes it really silly to say you are 100% sure that he is a natrualized citizen.
If anything, more people should say "not sure." Really nobody should be in the "100% sure" or "100% sure he isn't" categories. Well unless you just don't care, didn't pay attention or didn't read much about it.
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I've explained the point I was trying to make at least 3 or 4 times now and frankly it seems futile for me to repeat myself again. I don't see how I was in any way unclear when I said
"I don't mean basically nobody is still unconvinced (remember, outside the South), I mean that if 90% are convinced now, and 10% are either skeptical or not sure, then I think it's probably a negligible amount that would become convinced if the info you want to be released is released." or
"I thought it was reasonable to think that once you've convinced 90% of people on something, getting that last 10% to change their minds is extremely hard, so not many would be convinced by the hospital records. That's why I mentioned in the South vs. out of the South and Republican vs. non-Republican, because it actually matters for the point I was making. I don't know how many people in the South would be convinced." or
"the fact remains that, IIRC, according to that poll, 90% of people in regions other than the South (over all parties: Democrats, Republicans, and independents) already believe this, while a total of 10% are unsure or disbelieve. At that point, as I said, I believe it's extremely hard to get those last people to change their minds."
I mean, you took a comment I made that I thought was an ASIDE and just OBSESSED over "Republicanness" even though it was just one possible influence out of three or four that were, again, merely part of a side comment: "As for the south being racist, whether it is or isn't isn't all that relevant to the point I made although my opinion is either that or Republican-ness or just being more ... anti things that seem foreign? ... is what's responsible for the vastly different statistics." [edit: and I would like to note that my third possibility sounds related to the one you yourself suggested.]
I mean, I've almost forgotten the reason I'm even SAYING this point, just because I've had to spend so much time telling you and having you not get it or think I'm saying the exact opposite of what I'm saying.
Unless [edit: you choose to give a reply that] is just incredibly captivating and compels a response, I'm done with this part of the discussion.
A. You could say people shouldn't be 100% sure of most things; I don't think that's particularly more true of this than anything else. I'm pretty sure the Swift Boat thing was a knowingly (from the principals) false smear job on Kerry -- not 100% but I'd bet significant money on it. I'd bet HUUUUGE money Obama was born in Hawaii.
B. The South gets more immigration issues? Bullshit -- or at least I categorize Arizona, New Mexico, and California as West instead of South. Maybe that's not how the Daily Kos rolls...?
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