rocketpig said:
Reasonable said:
rocketpig said:
Reasonable said:
highwaystar101 said:
Ok, competitive list, still T2 made it but not T1? How? Both are equally good films.
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I actually think T1 is the better SF film myself - and actually a slightly better film all round - so I'd certainly swap it for T2. T2 was fun, but it lacked the edge and focus on T1, plus it had Arnie giving a thumbs up while being melted, for which it loses 2 points for just being silly.
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T1 is a better film if only because it doesn't have a whiny Eddie Furlong and actually takes itself somewhat seriously. T2 added all the elements of a sequel that I hate: whiny children/annoying characters, stupid and unfunny humor, and virtually the exact same plot slightly tweaked.
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Yup, even as a pacifist I couldn't help but enjoy the shotgun reloading on bikes, canal chase mayhem plus the super cool T-1000. But the reduction of a world where the future is both bleak and set just didn't work for me, neither did all the crowd pleasing stuff squeezed in either. Still, love him or hate him Arnie strolling into the bar at the start is a classic.
But T1 is just better all around, and sticks to its guns with respect to the heavy sense of predetermination and gloom. The only thing that seems dated about it now is Sarah's huge 80s hairstyle.
Still, could be worse, they could have put T3 in there.
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Don't get me wrong, I don't hate T2 but it fell into the sequel trap that befell Star Wars VI, I, and II in that it tried to be too crowd-pleasing instead of neatly going about its business and telling a kick-ass story.
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Oh I see it the same way. I meant to imply that while I felt it wasn't nearly as ideas driven as the first, the crazy action made it quite a guilty pleasure. I think Cameron actually did a not bad job trying to juggle too many competing factors, from the fact Arnie's image had changed and he had to be the good guy to wanting to try and change the base rules of his own Universe - Terminator 1 clearly being a world if predestination where the future war and events is a lock - to one where he unwrote his own backstory.
