Valve:Assumptions of XBox Live 'such a train wreck'

[themanwithnoname]

Reasonable said:

themanwithnoname said:

Valve should've known Microsoft's policies the moment they want to make a game for their console. Apparently, they either didn't, or did and failed to strongarm Microsoft into changing them. Valve not liking these policies is a fair point, but Gabe Newell's personal PR strategy seems to be making a legitimate complaint and then attacking what he has a complaint against with an over the top and eyeroll worthy exaggeration.

That being said, that does NOT explain why Valve hasn't bothered updating Team Fortress 2 since 2007.

It's clear from the context they did know, they just hoped to see the policies relaxed over time.  The lack of updates is directly tied to those policies.  Valve want to release content for free, MS want to charge, so Valve simply aren't releasing it.

I will be very curious, if PS3 versions of Valve titles keep in line with PC versions while 360  versions lag as this would all imply, to see if console interest in Valve titles switches from one platform to the other.  360 seems better suited for Valve in terms of US centric online community, but the lack of upgrades really kills Valve titles on the platform IMHO.

The difference between TF2 on PC vs 360 now is huge.  Even just little things like free DLC such as Crash Course vs using MS points could cummulatively change opinions.

Reading between the lines of their other comments, I'm very curious whether they'll go back and sort out the Orange Box or not on PS3.  They could, given with Portal 2 they'll have Source running properly on PS3 vs a port, and in the bigger picture getting all their titles on PS3 well supported would make the most sense.

They won't have anything to do with the Orange Box on the PS3 because they didn't develop it on the PS3. So you're saying that Valve decided not to support The Orange Box but then changed their mind on Microsoft's policies when it came to Left 4 Dead 1 and 2? If that's true, then Valve clearly doesn't give a hoot about anyone on the 360 because anybody with common sense would prefer to be offered something at a price rather than not offering it at all. My point is that people need to stop acting like Microsoft is the only reason that Team Fortress 2 is like it is on the 360 right now, when Valve clearly shares some of that responsibility.