Final-Fan said:
Kasz216 said:
Final-Fan said:
1. I stand corrected: the information is already out there. Wikipedia sez he was born in Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital. Surely you will admit that a conspiracy would at least keep its story straight?
2. I've already said previously in this conversation that I thought it was above 90-95%, so I don't know why you were surprised that I continued to believe it later on when I wasn't corrected. (BTW, it's interesting how the point spread worked out on that survey. 42% of Republicans believe Obama and Hawaii, while everyone else is more like 90%. 47% of Southerners, 90% everywhere else in the country.)
3. What makes you think that releasing that info would prove anything? You're already alleging a conspiracy that was able to alter government records, so the unreleased information could also have been altered -- or are you also alleging that the reason it hasn't been released is that the conspiracy was unable to "get to" those particular records? Of course, that wouldn't apply to the "long form" birth certificate, as the "short form" certificate is just a truncated version of it.
4. I think I said this earlier: what is the motive you're imagining? What was the PURPOSE that made all this lawbreaking back in 1961 worthwhile?
P.S. A part of me keeps thinking you're about to say "haha, just kidding, I don't really think Obama is an illegal immigrant". |
1. Yeah, Wikipedia suggests that's the hospital he was born in. Actually was my point. Except hospital administration has said they can't confirm or deny he was born there without Obama agreeing to give info. Why he won't is beyond me.
2. Really thought you were just using hyperbole. Also... 20% of independents I wouldn't sneeze at.
3. I'm not actually suggesting any conspiracy nor have. Even if he wasn't born here a conspiracy is by far less likely then other things.
4. If Obama wasn't born in the US, because his mom wasn't a citizen for long enough Obama wouldn't of been a natural born citizen, which would mean his parents would likely have to fill out paperwork and wait for the government wheels to turn. When it'd be so much easier to simply say he was born here.
Also, I don't think he is an illegal immigrant. I really just have no clue. There is plenty of reason to wonder because it'd be simple to clear up if he really wanted to. Like I said... I think it's more likely it's an act of politcal gamesmanship. Either way, without any clarification either is possible.
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1. I'm of the opinion that if it WASN'T in fact his birthplace, a whistle would have been blown. And again, people would just say his family faked those records too. Will you deny the latter?
2. Only in the South. BTW, "A 2000 poll conducted by the Russian Public Opinion Fund found that 28% do not believe that American astronauts have been on the Moon, and this percentage is roughly equal in all social-demographic groups. In 2009, a poll conducted by the British Engineering & Technology magazine found that 25% of Britons do not believe that humans have walked on the Moon. Similarly, 25% of Americans between the age of 18 and 25 are not sure the landings happened." FUCK 'EM.
3. A conspiracy TO DEFRAUD THE UNITED STATES. That's the only alternative to him being a natural born citizen. And he would also be an illegal immigrant because he was smuggled into this country and has bever been naturalized. What other possibility do you claim exists?
4. And a FUCKING CRIME. As for "easier" ... I doubt that. Why do you think they would go -- correction, might have gone -- to all this effort and bribe who knows how many people and risk jail to save on some red tape?
P.S. "ANY" clarification? Now you're the one being ridiculous.
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1. I don't see how it could... it's illegal and how many people really have access to those files? I don't think hardly anybody.
2. The difference between the moon landings and Obama is... the moon landing people have done EVERYTHING they can to prove it. There isn't a thing NASA hasn't allowed people access to they want to. When you could provide extra proof of your "innocence" by one phone call, and you don't... I'm not willing to rule anything out, no matter how unlikely it is. Simply because you haven't earned that right.
3. How is it a conspiracy? I mean relook at four.
4. A crime no one is really going to look into. Why would you need to bribe anybody? We don't know if anybody would need to be bribed or not because we don't know any of the details. Homebirths would only require a witness to verify it was a home birth. Sure if they lied that he was born in the hosptial when he wasn't, that'd need a conspiracy, however we don't have any proof he was born there outside of random whispers that came from who knows where. (His biography I'd guess?)
