Final-Fan said:
Kasz216 said:
Final-Fan said:
Kasz216 said:
Or the stated date of birth is just off.
Also, i'd compare the differences between that and this which is interesting if true.
http://www.wnd.com/images/090728birthcert.gif
All in all, it could all eaisly be avoided by him giving permission to release hospital records if he was born at a hawaiian hospital.
He hasn't. It can really only be for two reasons.
A) He's hiding something.
B) He'd of rather had the story go on because of political benefit.
The second is more likely, but the first isn't impossible.
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1. I want this to be absolutely clear: are you suggesting incompetence, or fraud? Because I don't really see any other options on that one.
2. Did you even read the article?? "Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth."
3. At least 99.5% of people accept this as beyond beaten to death. I'd say even among the people originally inclined to wonder about his citizenship, 90% or more are satisfied. Just because there are a few diehards who will not be satisfied until we invent a time machine and go back and watch him be born doesn't make it worth pursuing further to the administration.
4. This post which you seem to be responding to is just a sideline or addendum to the bigger one above (with the aforementioned article link). Do you have any response to that post?
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1. Either or both are possible.
2. Except you can have your medical records released regardless, it's been stated before.
3. I disagree, when you have a VERY easy mechanism to prove something without a shadow of a doubt, and refuse to take that mechanism, it tells me something.
4. It's abridged in that it doesn't mention hospitals, which for example in the case of fraud or incompetance could mean the hospital listed is either foreign or listed as "home birth".
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I could accept the idea of incompetence insofar as to get the date of birth wrong. I REJECT the idea that someone could ACCIDENTALLY turn the place of birth into "Honolulu, Oahu" from "Kenya" or "Indonesia" or whatever the fuck the conspiracy theory is.
So in reality you are left with only one hypothesis: that there was a CONSPIRACY to defraud the United States government into thinking that he was a natural born citizen instead of him becoming a citizen normally, which really has very little purpose OTHER than if they anticipated that he would want to become POTUS or maybe serve in Congress. Given the extremely limited usefulness of such fraud I find this possibility extremely remote.
And no, if it was such a fraud then surely they would not be so RETARDED as to list a Kenyan hospital. So really your quest for the "real" birth certificate is quite meaningless.
It makes me sad that you are seriously taking this position.
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Actually, I'm pretty sure if he wouldn't of been a citizen if born elsewhere. His mom wasn't here long enough for citizenship to attach.
The point of the "Fraud" is there would be no hospital listed, because it'd be listed as a home birth vs being born in a hospital.
You wouldn't even need a long birth certificate for that.
All he'd have to do is give the hospital the right to release his records.
