yanamaster said:
Kasz216 said:
yanamaster said:
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:
Because studies show that there are huge amounts of people with PTSD in that area due to the attacks? I believe the Figure is like... a 15% baseline for that area, 4-5% over the nation as a whole, and that's a place where people go to work through their issues about that place getting knocked over... so yeah. Plentry of reason.
And... why should people building a mosque care that by building it there they are going to cause lots of undue unrest, trouble and emotional pain to people?
I dunno, the same reason McDonalds wouldn't want to build in the place mentioend in the above example?
Or the same reason this chruch wouldn't want to burn a Qu'ran? You know... the fact that it woul cause a lot of undue unrest, trouble and emotional pain to people.
Common human compassion and decency.
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The difference is that the mosque isn't meant to cause anyone any unrest, while the Qu'ran burning is meant to do just that. And I'm willing to bet most people who don't want the mosque built hate muslims anyways. Plus during the terrorists attacks all those people you claim to have PTSD could have seen was planes crashing in the towers, not a giant Mohammed blimp doing that. So at most that could be scared of planes, not of muslims.
And the peopel who want to build the mosque shouldn't have to apologise for what the terrorists did, nor should they have to feel guilty about it and allow themselves to be pushed around by wackos driven by irrational fears.
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That really isn't relevent. The end result is the same... and futhermore they know the pain it will cause.
I mean hell... slavery wasn't emeant to do anybody any harm. The slavers actually thought they were doing black people a favor. According to your reasoning, slavery was better then that, because at least they meant well and thought they were doing good. Rather then intentionally causing harm as a side effect.
As for your arguement about PTSD... All it shows is your complete lack of knowledge about PTSD and further insensitive remarks towards people with a mental health issue.
It's not about "feeling guilty". It's about doing something decent for people rather then knowingly antagonize them. It's an identical situation to the above McDonalds thing I mentioned, which you've likely only ignored because you would feel differently about that and know I'm right.
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No, you're not right. Because your being right is the only one. You've decided to be the sensitive man that defends the poor souls with PTSD. Unfortunately your whole point is somehow flawed. Considering how many bombings there were around the world led by christian extremists, some that took place in the US, then we should assume that people should not like to live next to a church , right?
well, i assume you understand where i'm going with this. I'll write it anyway.
It is only pure phobia of Islam that i see with your reasoning.What some group does should and cannot be tied to any specific religion, mainly because of the absurdity that awaits us later. People in Belfast have been blown to smithereens by both catholics and protestants more than once, but do you see anyone making a fuss of living next to a newly built church in Ireland? And i assure you that there were many people with PTSD .
Unfortunately if you had your way with "protecting" people with the syndrome you only actually make it worse by fueling their fears and enforce their feeling of being entitled to their "genuine" fear. You know that facing fear is the only way to go forward. And it's been almost 9 years since the attack. About time to take a few steps forward.
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I'm only addressing the bold here, because it's the only thing I have to address.
Yes. I've used it as an example before actually.
If someone were to blow up an abortion clinic in the name of god, it would be VERY disrespectful to build a church within visible distance of the smoldering remains of the abortion clinic. It would be disrespecful, damaging and hurtful to those who lost loved ones and others who may of been traumtized by such events.
Any such church should be protested vigoursly... and that's a MUCH smaller case with not even likely a thousanth of the victims.
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That is something that you should be ashamed to say.
Do not, DO NOT try to downplay something just because it has less victims. It proves nothing but small-mindedness on your part. Blaming a religion group for something certain individuals did is never a solution that humankind should accept as normal. My country was decimated not one and not twice by countries as Russia, Germany. Sure it happened a long time ago, but according to what you imply we should protest the hell out of every company, every church for what was done because it is a sign of disrespect towards the Polish nation. But we do not blame people for something that they have not done. What's the difference here?
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Who's downplaying anything? The number of victims very much does matter. If September 11th killed 1 person, like almost nobody would have PTSD hence it wouldnt't be an issue. The number of people with PTSD in an abortion clinic bombing, I'm not sure how many would have it, but I gurantee it'd be far less then 9/11. Still, it'd just be disrespectful to build a church there. It's not downplaying anything, you can tell by the fact that I want a church there. It's funny you can accuse me of trying to downplay something yet yourself are downplaying both issues by thinking it's ok to put triggers right in peoples faces.
Protest every church and company?
Germans and Russians decimated Poland in the name of Buisness and Religion?
I thought they did it in the names of Facism and Communism respectidly. Additionally, the whole country is too big a "cross to bear". The biggest sites of said decimation though, I think it isn't too much to ask that people not build communist or facist buildings in that area. (Of their own choice of course, not through legal means).
Afterall I'm sure there are a lot of people with issues due to the invasions of Russia and Germany. It's reflected in the politics of the country.
