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sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:

14% of NY and 5% of the country doesn't count as  a "lot of people" to you?


Veterans don't HAVE to protest that kind of stuff because nobody is inconsiderate enough to put that kind of stuff next to VA hospitals and clubs.

Regardless, your arguements have been full of two much ignorance to further debate with you.   You mentioned homophobia... but in general your arguements about PTSD have had about the same intellectual knowledge as people who argue homosexuality is a choice.

 

Not enough to matter.

But whatever... I know very well what PTSD is, I just don't find it a relevant or compelling argument for your stance.


If you really do know what PTSD is (i'm guessing not) and really think moving a building 3 blocks is a big deal when it would save hundreds of thousands if not millions of people uneeded anguish.

I couldn't think any less of you without a dircet action that specifically harmed someone.

I do actuyally know what PTSD is. I find your arguments to be pretty weak.

First of all those numbers you gave are insignificant (not large enough to matter in the long run, at least in my opinion).

Second of all the numbers you posted are outdated. Those numbers represent the situation imediatelly after the attack. Most people got over their PTSD in the first 6 months after the attack (you can be sure that after almost 9 years most have probably gotten over their PTSD).

http://ptsd.about.com/od/causesanddevelopment/a/Sept11_PTSD.htm

Third of all, you have no proof that the mosque would be a trigger. The attacks involved planes crashing into buildings, so it would be more logical for a plane to be a trigger for those people, rather than a mosque.

Forth, as someone else pointed out, why would a mosque on ground 0 be a trigger for one of those people, and not a mosque in any other location? Logically those people (if mosques and Islamic symbols really would be triggers for them) would be Islamophobes (in the propper sense of the word, as in "afraid of muslims"), so they'd experience anxiety whenever they'd  see a mosque/islmaic symbol anywhere. Should muslims hide, or leave the US altogether as to not upset these people?

Of course you neglect these facts because they show how faulty your argument is. And I'm bothered by the personal attacks. You're driven by your emotions and are not analysing this situation critically.

Er... no.  They aren't person facts... there basic truths.

1) Your just.. wrong here.

2) That dosen't actually give a rate of how many people recovers.  Just going with "many" which could be dozens for all you know.   It'd still be a very large number in the millions regardless.  Look at all the people who still have PTSD from wars. 

3) Once again shows a complete lack of knowledge of triggers.   Triggers aren't IMMEDIATELY developed the second it happens.  They develop over time, furthermore a lot of people with PTSD .   It's pure ignorance.

4)  It WOULD be mosques everwhere.  Just like Mcdonalds everywhere would be triggers.  HOWEVER a mosque at the site would be a STRONGER trigger.  Furthermore it's reasonable to move a mosque off of a place where it would be a strong trigger where people come to grive rather then moving them all.  It's basic civil planning.  To be mad at people buildign mosques anywhere would be stupid even though it will cause some people trouble.  You do need mosques.

To build a mosque at the epicenter of where people with issues gather... how do you not get that it's a very stupid and insensitive idea?  Heck, lets say some Christian Extremists burn down this center.

Then they want to build a 13 story church 2 blocks away within plain view of the many many people that go there to pray for the people who were killed and to reconsile the even with there lives.

I dunno.  That seems pointlessly cruel to me.  The church builders aren't the same people, still a dickish move to be sure.  Hey sorry your center got burned down, but hey drink in our badass 13 foot church though!  Right here, were you go to grieve!   Or at least that's what it would feel like to the people who go there.

It's all a matter of tact.