steverhcp02 said:
Kasz216 said:
steverhcp02 said:
Sounds like these SPECIFIC people are doing something stupid in the name of their religion. Just like those SPECIFIC people on 9/11 did something (obviously more) stupid in the name of their religon.
Bottomline, lots of people are fucking dumb regardless of religion.
The thing that ive taken away from this, people like Mafoo who obviously have an agenda have compromised parts of their logic and humanity for politically watered down reasons which has resulted in an argument youd see on a preschool playground.
As someone else pointed out, is it illegal to be a jerk? No, but why not error on the side of being kind? Is climate change "real" Who the fuck knows, but why not error on the side of safety? Sure it may be legal, but why not be a bigger person and not argue in favor of giving people ammunition (even if its not justified) when they know its only going to cause problems? The fact that they are essentially going against a hallmark and pillar of Christ's turn the other cheek teaching makes it more laughable.....but whats really disturbing is the results in this thread going great distances to try to explain why this SHOULD happen.
We can get into link wars pointing out crazies from each others "sides" but honestly? Why cant some of you just be above it. Just because somethings within mans law doesnt mean it should be done, I'd hope everyone regardless of religious preference or political party can draw the correlation that doing things out of spite knowing they are meant to incite is just wrong.
As others have said, if its within the law we only have ethos to argue over. But the chirch and these people get nothing productive out of doing this. It fosters hatred, is an unhealthy way of coping and accomplishes nothing. It really shouldnt even be debatable since there is really no underlying benefit to this as there is with the Mosque at all other than hatred.
Just be nice to people and dont do mean things even if youre allowed. How about that?
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And... you totally missed Mafoo's point. Which was just that. Everyone has the right to be a jerk but shouldn't. He was just pointing out another case of it for people who were defending someones right to be a jerk.
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No i didnt. His point was that everyone who wants to either hold a debate or supports th emosque must then in turn support this as if to get us in a "aha" moment.
The fact is burning a holy scripture makes no sense other than to incite hatred. We can hold a debate on the reasoning for fear of aMosque 2 blocks from 9/11...but the anger for it is built on a phobia and blanket statement made against all muslims for the actions of few.
A community center has benefits, its being built 2 blocks away and may be an outlet for a young child in NYC. Burning holy scripture, on th eother hand, there is no such debate on why this should be appropriate so in a sense its quite comical that anyone would try to draw parrallels of religious freedom given the cirumstances.
And thus, why i said people political and religious beliefs have clouded their loigic/ judgement.
We can actually weigh pros and cons of a community center built by muslims 2 blocks away from ground zero. I wonder who would argue pros and cons of a religious group condoning the burning of another religions scripture....one is debatable and there should be a debate, the other is fucking stupid, thats the difference.
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Nah, there are plenty of ways you can debate why it's appropriate. Some of which has already been stated as just a general example.
Both moves are "fucking stupid". Differnet levels... maybe. But both are causing uneeded pain for no real benefit. (Since the mosque could be moved moderatly away, for free with no loss present.)
Of course, the book burning is a one time thing, while the center will be there and causing people problems permanently.
Doing something really stupid for a short period of time... vs just doing something stupid but it's consqeuences will continue to reap problems for decades...
They're a lot closer in outcome then you're willing to admit.
