God Didn't Create Universe

[FaRmLaNd]

Smidlee said:

FaRmLaNd said:

GameOver22 said:

If God is unnecessary, God would be eliminated by Ockham's razor. There would be no reason to posture God if the universe was completely explained in scientific terms. For this reasons, theists would not accept the idea of an unnecessary God.

Well thats been the case for a long time and doesn't really require science to point that out. Its as simple as this. Many theists say something can't come from nothing. But where did God come from? He always existed or created himself or whatever way you want to spin it. Thats a double standard. If God can come from nothing or always existed, why not just skip a step and apply that to the universe. Why does God get some kind of special status? If something can come from nothing, then surely other things can. Such as the Universe? Why regress to God?

It's the first law of  thermodynamics that states something can't come from nothing. If something did come from nothing then  it's  greater than the law of thermodynamics(as well as  human understanding). 

We have strong reason to believe  the universe contains intelligence and creators. ;)

Expain to me how something coming from nothing is greater then human understanding. I have't read his book, but if Hawking is talking about how it may well be possible for the universe to create itself from nothing without the aid of God then how is that greater then human understanding, if science is starting to speculate on something coming from nothing?

I will acknowledge that we simply don't know enough about it and most of this is very theoretical and thus is on the fringes of human understanding and may remain that way for a long time. But why is it "greater" then human understandings?