GameOver22 said:
FaRmLaNd said:
GameOver22 said:
If God is unnecessary, God would be eliminated by Ockham's razor. There would be no reason to posture God if the universe was completely explained in scientific terms. For this reasons, theists would not accept the idea of an unnecessary God.
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Well thats been the case for a long time and doesn't really require science to point that out. Its as simple as this. Many theists say something can't come from nothing. But where did God come from? He always existed or created himself or whatever way you want to spin it. Thats a double standard. If God can come from nothing or always existed, why not just skip a step and apply that to the universe. Why does God get some kind of special status? If something can come from nothing, then surely other things can. Such as the Universe? Why regress to God?
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I did not quote properly, but I was referencing a post earlier where someone stated that Hawking never said God did not create the universe. He only said he was unnecessary. My point was that if Hawking maintained that God created the universe and also maintained that the universe was completely explained without God, Hawking would be adding unneeded complexity to the explanation of the universe. If there is no reason to bring God into the picture, adding God would just be adding complexity to the explanation. Because the base explanation would always be simpler, theists would not want to adopt the idea that God created the universe but is unnecessary.
As far as I know, most religions maintain that God is eternal. They would not say God created himself or came from nothing. This is not something scientists try to attribute to the universe. The universe came into existence at the Big Bang, so even if theists were willing to allow for an eternal universe, it is not something scientists would adopt. It might not be a convincing argument to some, but the reason why theists will attribute these characteristics to God and not to other things is that He is supernatural by definition. This means he can operate outside the laws of the universe. As I said before, God is generally described as eternal, so He did not come from nothing. Even granting that he did, because something supernatural comes from nothing does not mean something natural can come from nothing.
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Well of course a scientest wouldn't say that. But what I meant was that its hypocritical to say that things can't be eternal but god can. Its a double standard and inconsistent. That is all.
