Ron Paul For President in 2008

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@damkira

Are we having the same conversation or you speaking to an imaginary friend? This is truly maddening.

Why are you bringing up Syria? Of course they’re not worried about Iranian nuclear armament, they are allies. If anything, they would be encouraged by it. Now Sunni states, on the other, may be less excited by the notion.

Nobody has ever claimed that Saudi Arabia or Egypt has pursued nuclear weapons (I’m certainly not privy one way or the other). But have they entertained the notion? Of course they have. It’s naïve to think otherwise. Israel need not be there only motivation to pursue them. They are concerned about losing the US umbrella and intimidation from Iran. The UN has reported on such fears as did the UK Guardian just a few years ago. Is it just easier for you to think about these matters in such stark black and white terms?

Why do you insist on incessantly bringing up Israel anyway? They are not relevant to the topic at hand – the consequence of a US vacuum. Is it that Israel is the single topic you are comfortable with so you insist upon interjecting them into any conversation about the Middle East? While the Israeli-Arab conflict is well publicized, the intra-Muslim conflicts within the Middle East are not exactly a secret. Again, US departure from various regions throughout the globe will have consequences (and some of those might be negative!) But I repeat myself. Why that is so difficult for you to wrap your mind around is beyond me.

No one claimed we should go to war with Pakistan. I only stated why the US was justified in using their aid to hunt terrorists. You’re the one who has a problem with the policy, but cannot seem to articulate a viable alternative.

As far as invasions are concerned, the trick is to keep belligerent nations from obtaining nuclear arms. That’s it. Those who already have them are not going to give them up. Once a country has them, it’s really too late to do anything about it. Hopefully you understand why we should keep unstable despots from going nuclear (although the longer this thread goes, I am beginning to wonder).

Weapons or not, how did Saddam not provoke war? He was the aggressor in the Persian Gulf War and lost. As a result he had certain obligations and did not meet them. Was the US to maintain sanctions and the no-fly zone indefinitely (But wait! That would mean leaving a air presence in the Middle East which was one of the justifications for 911. oh what to do!)

What does the length of the war matter (other then for those with short attention spans)? You have a point I suppose. If the US fought wars like all nations have fought wars over the millennia, we would not be so concerned about picking up the mess we left behind. We’d turn it into a parking lot until the will of any adversary was absolutely broken. But we don’t operate that way. We take out the bad guy and then get on with the messy business of trying to create something better. It’s that noble quality the enemy exploits. It is that which protracts these conflicts.

The more I read your posts, the more I question your ability to reach logical conclusions built upon cogent arguments derived through rational deduction. If all is lost, then what does it matter what the US does at this point? If the US stays or goes, the damage is done and irreversible, no? I mean, this unlawful war built on the purposeful lies of the bushitler machine that has murdered and tortured zillions of innocent human beings without reading them their Miranda rights and left the US stuck in a quagmire of a civil war for oil money to fund the US’s rapacious rape of the Earth as well as fund the pensions of Halliburton execs who kill baby seals on vacation and then….. but I digress (not sure I have the hang of it though – it’s ridiculous enough but I just can’t deliver it with that same fanatical zeal. Practice! Practice!)

It’s ironic you raised the analogy of rooting for a football team in the same post you declare your hope for greater margins among Democrats in Congress when you’ll have an even stronger majority leader (we’ve got some great first round picks in the lottery and wait till you get a load of our quarterback next year!) It’s a shame both parties can’t be more closely aligned in this war and all of its many fronts. Not sure what is sadder, your football analogy or the fact that you can’t even declare your hope for US victory, however hypothetical is might be.