| Hephaestos said: wow this thread is full of stupid posts... i'll add one: _ Anyone thinking there is a conspiracy theory in 9/11 is wrong/gullible/ret***** .... the way the buildings fell is totally normal, why would you expect any other direction? the building actually broke evenly because the few enflamed floors broke at the same time.... making a nice 20 story block fall 30 meters onto the remainter of the structure, crumbling all the pillars and fondations. Have you even seen a building being taken down? do you think it tips over? no they blow up the foundations and it cumbles, here the 20 top stories acting as a hammer served as the "dynamite" on the foundations and the inside structure. _ anyone saying america "deserved it" or are "responsable for it" are the product of modern media overflow that creates heaps of sheeps to folow their will... product of propaganda. The mob is dumb and they are proof of it. _ What exactly has america done before 9/11.... umh...yeah but besides that.... ah ok... yeah so you hate the us for either a)saving europe from nazism b) preventing asia to be under full faschist Japan's control d) cause stalin didn't like them. No? oh for the iraq war... yeah so you hate them and say 9/11 is justified because after 9/11 they invaded iraq.... right cause in school you get a 0 before you even take the test is that it? yeah ok very rational, love your way of (not) thinking guys...
(on the mosque.... I believe it is used as provocation by some muslims, and as such has no place to be there. Unfortunately for the moderate muslims, the visible part of the population is the one that wants to be seen... the fanatically absurd one.) and on suicide bombers being educated.... are you gyus refering to the doctor that tried to blow up an airport? putting fire to his car with a bomb, only to have the bomb not explode and him being badly burnt? Funny how the smart people mess up so bad isn't it? It's not because you're educated that you're smart, it helps, but not that much. |
I hope that no one thinks that America "deserves" what happened to them on 9/11, although that's probably not true. You have your history a bit wrong. WWII was always going to be won by the side with Russia on it. What America did was prevent the rest of Europe from falling to Communism by building the atomic bomb. I fail to see where anyone said that Iraq was the justification for 9/11. I know that I said that Rauf's comments were based on Operation Iraqi Freedom, which killed over 70,000 Iraqi citizens in 2005. Rauf wasn't using that as a justification for 9/11 though, he was pointing out that the U.S had killed more innocent Muslims than Al-Qaeda had killed Americans. By U.S.D.O.D. stats, he's absolutely correct.
That being said,the motivation for the US to go into Iraq was certainly much purer than Al-Qaeda's for destroying the WTC. Does it justify all the civilian deaths? I don't know. Bin Laden had no ties to Iraq.
As to what America did before 9/11. They armed Al-Qaeda in the 80's when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan. At the time Bin Laden was a mujahideen, and great ally of the US. Then the US invaded Kuwait. Bin Laden believed that the Iraq-Kuwait situation should have been dealt with by Muslims, and that western forces had no business being in the gulf. This is the event that caused Bin Laden to drop his ties with the US and become a terrorist.
When people say that American foreign policy was responsible for 9/11, that is what they are talking about. Every time the US goes into a foreign country, some people will be harmed, and they will inevitably blame the US. No matter how righteous the action, America must be prepared to pay the cost for interfering. This is a paradox; while Americans are good people, and want to help those in distress (Kuwait), there will be a group of people who are hurt by American intervention and will take up arms against the US.
