theprof00 said:
Kasz216 said:
theprof00 said:
Kasz216 said:
theprof00 said:
Kasz216 said:
Once again... you are simply not looking at it correctly.
If, radical Christians killed your daughter in an abortion clinic bombing near your work.
How would you feel about an Church being put up right next to said ruins that you have to drive by every day?
The mosque being there will be a sign of america's greatness.
But the greatness that we even protect the rights of people when they use those rights to be giant assholes.
The same as the KKK's right to throwing racist protests is a sign of America's greatness.
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I wouldn't do anything about it. I, my family, and my daughter are tragic victims of fate. I wouldn't dare to take revenge by terrorizing the innocent. And I don't deign to think that my actions have any impact on the security of my loved ones or of humanity itself.
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Who is "terrorizing the innocent."
If anything this community center is going to "terrorize the innocent" by causing victims and victims families to suffer PTSD attacks.
It's the same reason you wouldn't build a church nearby a burned out abortion clinic.
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You wouldn't call these protests terrorizing?
When you see the hate on these people's faces, I'm sure it terrorizes the shit out of the other side, who haven't done anything wrong. They try to control the actions of others through fear. That's the basic definition of the word.
Why haven't they been protesting the mosque that's already right there?
And let me question you about the ptsd comment.
How do you quantify that into a value?
Where is the line? How many people do you need to have, and how mentally imbalanced do they need to be?
If there is one person suffering, does that qualify?
Because of the undefinable nature of your evidence, I find it hard to take into consideration.
I believe that those people should be allowed to live happy lives, but by your earlier statements comparing one level of violence to another and implying that it wasn't a big deal, they should deal with it. Right?
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You do realize your entire arguement in this paragraph has boiled down to "I think the protests are terrorizing... I want everybody to live happily without being terrorized... so let them build this building that will terrorize people."
You're arguement has a HUGE double standard in it.
They haven't been protesting the mosque that's already there because it's
A) Not 15 stories tall.
B) Not going to be visible from ground zero and the most popular access point of ground zero.
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No, the size and visibility is just a cover for what it really is. Americans think they have a sway over what happens. They think they are in a direct battle with the muslim religion and that they are warriors for god or whatever other movement they are in.
Look, I'm not trying to start an argument or say that your thoughts are not valid, but I think you would still have something to say if the building was just 4 stories tall and visible from a memorial sculpture.
After 9/11 Americans are scared. They are doing this to reclaim their pride and security. This isn't about some indignity the mosque is creating, this is Americans considering the construction Round 2. That is why the other mosque isn't being protested.
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No... they don't. Most don't. You are using a strawman arguement to support you're point.
When it's a giant strawman.
People think it's too close to be in good taste. That's it.
They are protesting it.
Just how people would protest someone who said something racist. Or should people not protest racists because it's "Terrorizing" them and you don't know how many people were effected by the original racist statement.
Heck, you could be a Hindu religious leader, and it's just common sense that you wouldn't want to build a temple near a gathering place for holocaust surviviors.
It wasn't even the same racial, ethnic or religious group. However it's the common sense to know "This is going to bother someone."
A confederacy muesuem near a black history muesuem.... bad idea. Confederacy mueseum not a bad idea itself.
A Crusades muesuem near a mosque... also bad idea.
I mean there are hundreds of these cases... and not one of them has to do with "Religious intolerance."
It has everything to do with basic tact and understanding for your fellow man.
All in all this shouldn't be an issue because the planners of the community centre should of had the common sense and decency to know this would be a problem, when two more blocks away or so would of still served everyone fine.
If it was Christians I sure know I wouldn't want a 15 story buildign with a cross right there... or anything else similar.
