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Nik24 on 16 August 2010
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TheRealMafoo said:
Nik24 said:
TheRealMafoo said:


Obama care will kill tens of millions of people over the next 100 years. I care to much for people to let that happen.

Look at it this way. The advancements in science that have been made in the US over the last 100 years, and not in other countries, is because of our healthcare system. If 100 years ago, we had the same healthcare that Obama wants to put into place. Tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions of people would not be alive today, that are.

In 100 years from now if we keep Obama's healthcare system in place, we will do to the world, what we would have done to the world if we had stifled medical science 100 years ago.

Sure, some people live, but the cure for cancer, AIDS, Auto Immune Deficiencies, Parkinson's, and every other thing we can cure will be cured decades later because of it. The people who die in the mean time are on your hands. Not mine.

To think I want the system I want because I somehow don't care about people, is fucked up.

lol, this comment alone disqualifies you from having a serious political discussion.

Like fastyxx said, it is way to early to judge a presidency which barely finished its second year.

I want to reiterate again that President Obama passed some of the most substanstial and influential

laws in the first 20 months. ALL previous presidents failed in their endavour to pass a new health care and he did

it despite facing a deeply hostile and radical Republican party. The US has the most expensive and ineffective health

care in the world and even Republian presidents saw the need for a change.

 

Furthermore, he passed a law, finally delivering an overhaul of the financial institutions which caused the financial crisis.

Again, the Republican party opposed it. Why? How can one justify this? So far they managed to stall a climate bill

which is another CRUCIAL piece of law! The oil crisis in the gulf proofed how important it is to finally focus on

alternative sources of energy.

 

And to people arguing that the president spends too much money, what is the alternative?

During the Clinton years the US finally had a budget surplus but Bush managed to get us into two wars

and even during a favourable economic situation the budget- deficit had become huge.

The bailout was sadly necessary and with the law mentioned above, he tried to ensure that

something like this crisis would not happen again.

 

I'm amazed how people can even listen to Fox news and their ridiculous reports.

Every sane person, regardless of one's political affiliation, has to realize how dangerous and

redical these people are. I suggest you watch The Daily Show in order to get a feeling of their insanity.

Or even better, you coud actually try to understand the issues at hand and inform yourself about the political process

in this country.

The last president with a super majority passed far more bills then this one. 

The greatest healthcare in the world, is in the US. There is no better quality of care anywhere. Period. The only issue with care in the US, is access. We have chosen to reduce the quality of our care to increase the access to it.

We have also chosen to reduce profit. Every major breakthrough in the last 50 years in medicine, was done in the pursuit of profit. To assume you can remove that from the equation, and have no effect on the outcome, is to not understand how the world works.

Obama passes a healthcare plan that most Americans don't want (and is unconstitutional). Why is that a good thing? He is elected to represent us, not to go against our will because he thinks he knows better, when he has not been right about most anything yet.

I am done. It's pointless. I will just move the hell out of here, and let you all deal with it.


I am sorry but you cannot honestly believe that America has the greatest health care in th world. I assume you have never been in a position when you couldn't pay your medical bills anymore. I get the feeling that people are acting in a very selfish way. Why is it so hard to put oneself in others schoes? People who have money can afford a good health care but what about people not so lucky? What do you tell a guy who just was thrown out of his contract and has to pay staggering bills now. I believe it is time that people start realizing this fact. Furthermore, Americans get to keep their current health care, so where's the problem? The health care bill keeps the insurance companies from denouncing your contract due to former health conditions. Health care should be affordable for everyone and not depend on your income or social status.

Chosen to reduce profit? So even one's health is subject to the relentless pursuit of money, profit and exploitation? Where do you draw the line? Companies are selling drugs with VERY hight profit margins. In my opinion every human entity should have access to cheap drugs and medicine.