OMG Moment: Sex assaults hitting new low - 13 years old

[starcraft]

moomilk2k said:

starcraft said:
Kwaad is essentially saying that if a woman gets drunk around men she doesn't trust, it is ok for them to have sex with her when they know she would actively protest under normal circumstances. OR that if someone goes out on a date and is raped, it's ok because sex is meant to be a part of dating.

I understand that people oppose banning on the grounds of differing opinions, but look at what Kwaad is saying. Surely this site can have some standards. Some of his ideas truly are abhorrent and offensive. KBG29 as well. He genuinely believes that twelve year olds are emotionally capable of not being manipulated and choosing whether to have sex when pushed by an adult.

EDIT: I would like to say, I drive a semi-truck, and I am a damn good driver. If I drink, and kill-someone driving my truck, when I sober up, am I forgiven my 'drunken stupor'? Or do I go to jail for murder (if you have a CDL and you kill someone, and you are proven neglegent, it is considered murder) A woman who drinks, gets drunk, and a man has sex with her. Why is he at fault, for her getting drunk. Did he shove the liquor down her throat? Did her force her to drink it? Did he tie her up and pour it down her throat? That is ALOT more than just rape going on there.

Ok, why was she getting drunk, with a buch of guys who she would consent to have sex with, when drunk.

Let me tell you something.

I can get totally ****faced, smashed, and I dont rape girls.

My wife, can get totally ****faced smashed, and she dont get raped.

My cousin gets knocked up on her first date, with a deadbeat...

and a few months earlier, she was screaming. "RAPE" about some guy touching her when she was totally drunk. (his side of the story was she started the touching)

Needless to say, she was too stupid to press charges, but she still claimed 'rape'.

When you drink, your judgement is imparied. You should not drink, when you can not trust imparied judgement. It goes along the lines of responsible drinking. A good example. If I start drinking, and I get really drunk, and I start driving a car. it's ILLEGAL, because you are impared. Why would you get imparied around people you can not trust.

 

Date Rape. Ever heard of "Just say No" ? That's all she has to say. My wife said it for 2 months before we ever did anything.

 

My point is, Starcraft, are you saying, that if a woman wears a shirt, that says. "Sex monster." And gets drunk, jumps on a guys penis, has sex with him, wakes up the next morning, and says HE RAPED ME... that's ok? Because that's how it happens alot on these stupid rape charges. (at lest the ones I have witnessed first hand)

You are saying, that if a woman asks a man to touch her. (physical cues, movements) and the man slowly works around, and then touches her, and she likes it, and LETS him continue. That is rape? I could consider as long as she didnt object, that being consentual.

the term rape in america, is one of my worst fears.

If you look at a woman's breasts as she walks by, she can press charges on you for sexual harassment... and win. If she was wearing a shirt that showed TONS of cleavage, an was halfway seethough, and you could see everything... It's still sexual harassment... to... LOOK at them. Even a qucik glance, is sexual harassment.

read the laws. If a man forces himself on a woman, and she objects before, during, and after. That is rape.

If she says. "Ok, before, during. And changes her mind after." That is NOT rape, that was a mistake.

EDIT2: Edited the vularities ou 

 
Ok you have missed my point. Of course if a woman has intercourse consentually and later claims rape she is lying, drunk or not.  But Kwaad is implying more than that.  If that woman is deceived into intercourse, or if she is plied with alcohol by a man for the sole purpose of getting her to have sex, it can be interpretted as rape.  And for the record, she doesn't have to say no before, during and after for it to be rape.  If two consenting parties are having sex and one changes their mind and says no, the other must stop, as continuing is rape.