| Coca-Cola said: @superchunk seems you know the history very well so don't get angry if my thoughts are wrong, just correct me. No matter how Israel got the land, the fact is they are there and I believe you said you don't mind Israel there. After the establishment of the state, Israel was attacked - I believe twice. So Israel fought back and there is a bad relations there. All I remember is the picture of Jimmy Carter and his historic peace treaty - and then Israel was attacked. I was still young at the time but remembering the joy of peace followed by disappointment. So, I don't fault israel for not trusting any peace treaty. I know that they are still being attacked and I wonder what else can Israel do except to fight and make their land as safe as possible for their citizens. That's where I am now, I don't trust any peace treaty that comes on the table for Israel. It seems any time they sign anything, they are attacked. Even with this thread, Israel did not do anything wrong imo, yet they are killed and when Israel fights back they are the bad guy? I pray for peace in the Middle East yet I don't know how it's gonna come about. |
You're right and I fully agree, regardless of the history, Isreal exists and deserves to continue to exists. I have never said anything different to that basic point.
I'm not sure on your timeline of info on President Carter. While he has been very vocal, and pro-Palestinian, he never created a peace treaty between these groups. He is known to of had some part of the Geneva Accords, but this happened right the middle of the 2nd Intifada that was originally sparked by Israeli PM Ariel Sharom. (hit wikipedia for more info)
If you could give me a year range I could be more helpful on your inquiry.
However, you must realize that neither side has been without major faults throughout this entire history. There are wars and minor conflicts that were 100% started by either side. The modern issue is you have a nuclear, heavily armed and trained military that has aparthied like systems and control over another people. That same nation has been working against international laws for over 50 years for the obvious purpose of slowly taking more land.
No Arab nation, or even group of nations, has ever been in a military equal level with Israel and over time that disparity has only gotten far worse. There is no way (with the exception of Isreal destroying the Dome of the Rock) would any Arab nation launch a modern war with Israel.
Iran (which is not Arab, but is Muslim, just like Pakistan) is the only relatively close nation that could even start a war with them and even they would not for fear of nuclear retaliation, let alone US involvement.
Israel has no real fear of accepting a peace treaty except that it would commit them to not acquire more land. That is why I only see a full annexation of West Bank by Israel as a possible solution in the near future. It would screw Gaza and so many other refugees, but it would mostly satisfy extreamist Israeli settlers as well as millions of Arabs living in West Bank currently.
But, I would think this compramise would also need to include some financial agreement to Egypt, Jordan, Libya, and Gaza for refugees as well as these nations finally allowing these people to become full citizens.
