TheRealMafoo said:
Mr Khan said:
TheRealMafoo said:
Tigerlure said:
The problem with Obama is that he isn't being a leader, he's being a compromiser. What he needs to understand is, the GOP WILL NOT WORK WITH HIM, at least until November. They have him right where they want him. I was watching Keith Olbermann last night on special comment, and he was right. Had Obama started from a Single-Payer system on healthcare, we'd have a much popular healthcare bill by now with a public option that would easily have brought down costs. Maybe we could have gotten a stronger Stimulus Bill that worked better (cue Fox News talking points that it didn't work, even though it did http://mediamatters.org/research/201008080008) He needs to learn that nothing he does will please Fox News, and he needs to start leading and ignoring the GOP. That and Kick Ben Nelson out of the democratic party.
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A couple things here. the GOP would never work with anyone with the views of Obama. That's the problem. The Presidents who have had the most success are the ones closer to the middle. While the people on the far edges of there party might not like them, they get more from the other party then they lose.
Obama is on the extreme end of his party. He will not get Republican support, because 99% of the things he does they don't support.
And not having a single payer system has nothing to do with Obama. If that's what Congress would have gone for, there never would have been a bill for Obama to sign.
As for Ben Nelson, I think what he did was fantastic. Ben Nelson does not represent the people of the united states, he represents the people of Nebraska. What he did was in the best interests of the people he represents.
The people who should be thrown out, are anyone who agreed to what he was trying to do, because agreeing to it meant sacrificing the people you represent for the sake of your ideology.
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The radicals have often been the most successful candidates. Jackson, Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt (though he wasn't wedded to certain core Republican values), Franklin Roosevelt, Johnson, and Reagan (though Reagan was less conservative than people often give him credit for. Certainly less radical than the god-to-conservatives he's been made into)
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Lincoln? Really? His policies started a war. He was able to abolish slavery, because his politics killed over 600,000 people.
Only after he removed the voice from the south, did he get anything done. I am glad slavery is gone. But it would have been gone without a war in just a few years anyway. I would not call Lincoln a success.
Success would be abolish slavery, and not start a war.
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I'm curious who you think successful presidents are, then. The only remotely successful moderates i can think of are Eisenhower and Clinton, and the rest would probably be unremarkable.
