sapphi_snake said:
Morals are not about self-preservation, they can be self-less... thinking about it, it sounds contradictary... I'll do what's right and good so I can survive... there's self-ishness in that. You do what's good and right because it's good and right, even if it means not surviving. That's why such way of thinking could'nt have been possible without G-d and doesn't fit very well in your example because it's about survival. I already told you, morals are for the preservation of the group. Living within a group is necessary for an individuals survival, hebce the individual respect follows certain rules to assure that the group survives and people can coexist within the group. This also brings him/her a personal advantage. You don't either... and that's why it's something to be accepted or denied. My dog's name is Happy... do you believe me? I've never seen such a lack of reasoning ever. Your dog's name is whatever you say it is. If you say your dog's name is Happy, then it's name Happy. If you say your dog's name is X-345 then it's name is -345. A name is an abstract notion. Why do you beleive that that thing you call "truth" is true? You say you have to accept or deny it, but before you reach the accepting/denying you have to go through a process of resoning to determine if what you call "truth" is in fact true. Sounds to me like you've skipped that part and blindly accepted something. It's beyond me to prove it to you. It's something you accept or deny. No reasoning whatsoever on your part. Were getting no-where... and I honestly never wanted to argue I knew we would get no where the first moment I read your post. Don't know why I even tortured my keyboard's buttons typing this. |
Your expecting me to prove G-d with what? Within the limits the diciplines that man-kind made? G-d is in a completly higher and different order then the one we know... we literally can't... think about what were talking about for a minute here. Your asking me to bring G-d down to our level? That's why I kept telling you that some of these truths are meant to just be accepted.... we have to trust G-d's words on that... because it's beyond us. You have to be open to G-d. One of the reasons I believe in G-d is because his always right as far as I read. How do I know.. well because after trusting his words... you see it.
The process is completely opposite to yours... you accept it and trust it's truth... and then you see the evidence...
While you want to see evidence and won't accept without a method... and then you accept it as true.
About my dog question, my point is you were willing to believe me... someone you practically don't know at all... I could look like anyone in the world... could be person with little to no credibilty for being honest for all you know ... but you believed me. Some guy that's definitely well below G-d... now if you can try to do that with G-d... read what he has to say and see how he see's things then you can actually see he is right and truth.
This might sound strange but..
You might be struggling with doubt right at this moment struggling believing what I said above... fight that.. .by saying Jesus Christ... I've seen demons before and that always scares them, but you probably won't see them.
I'm done here, see you around the forum.
All gaming systems, consoles/PC, have thier perks... why fight over preferences? I like Coke and you like Pepsi, that's it, let's not fight over which toy we like best cause that's what they are. Is someone's preference in a toy important or is the relationship between you and your neighbor more important? Answer is obvious, but THE most important thing is your relationship with God almighty. God Bless you in Jesus's name.
I can communicate without talking... I can send a loved one money without actually sending money... and I can commit theft without the product disappearing, the point of theft is the point of theft not one of it's possible symptoms which is the product dissappearing. The thief wants to gain something without paying for it, that's the point of theft, the thief doesn't have to care or anybody else has to care if the product dissappears. The product dissappearing is just a possible symptom of theft. Gifts are sacrfices, in order to give a gift, it has to be a genuine sacrfice/gift, meaning a copy of the game isn't still in your PC. Piracy is theft and/or being a culprit of theft.