sapphi_snake said:
I just realized that the concept of morals or love surpassing self-preservation is super-natural ... where as in a machanical like world without G-d like one that evolution suggests, in a world like that ... only staying alive and surviving would matter (think Fallout but worse, horrible world) and mankind has shown to be able to go above that. Animals that live in groups form interpersonal relationships in order to survive. They have behaviours that not only help their survival, but also the survival of the whole group. Living within a society requires certain sacrifices, and sometimes an individual has to risk his own wellbeing in order for the group to survive (and being part of the group he's chances of survival are higher). Check out bees or ants. Bees go kamikaze to save the hive for example (that's alturistic of them). Human morals are very relative: it used t be that it was perfectly moral to kill anyone from outside your group/tribe/country, but as human population has increased nationas have started cooperating with eachother. In Fallout there is no societ, but even there people formed groups and had certain rules to maintain the wellbeing of the group. However due to the low resources and harsh living conditions morals were limited to people that were part of your own group (like primitve tribal societies). This has nothing to do with any deity. A creator is definitely a plausible idea. Otherwise life becomes cold,gray, a delusion of hell The fact that "it has to be true 'cause I don't like the alternative" is a weak argument. This is something to accept not argue about, I've learned that a long time ago... because that's how you go about with the truth. It's not an assumption. Why can't thing you call "truth" be debated? Is it maybe 'cause it has no basis in reality? You're a really good sheep. |
"Animals that live in groups form interpersonal relationships in order to survive. They have behaviours that not only help their survival, but also the survival of the whole group. Living within a society requires certain sacrifices, and sometimes an individual has to risk his own wellbeing in order for the group to survive (and being part of the group he's chances of survival are higher). Check out bees or ants. Bees go kamikaze to save the hive for example (that's alturistic of them)."
I'm not an expert on animals but I think animals are obviously capable of making such risks... I had a dog named Happy when I was younger and he showed a lot of love and was protective of me... willing to risk himself for me when a much bigger dog would bark at me. Animals are Animals.... not evolution. I also believe animals have souls because in the Bible it says G-d gave them the breathe of life... the same breathe of life that mankind received... but the difference is we were made special and with a spirit which is another topic. Agian, animals are animals not evolution.
"Human morals are very relative: it used t be that it was perfectly moral to kill anyone from outside your group/tribe/country, but as human population has increased nationas have started cooperating with eachother."
It used to be? It can be again? It can be right now... that's sad. Man-kind can change thier mind... I agree with the above. But I think its critical to see what's the reason behind actions like that. War? Self-defense? Hatred? Revenge? ... nations started cooperating with each other? Kind-ness? Greed? Power? Admiration?
Anyways I don't really see your point?
"In Fallout there is no societ, but even there people formed groups and had certain rules to maintain the wellbeing of the group. However due to the low resources and harsh living conditions morals were limited to people that were part of your own group (like primitve tribal societies).
This has nothing to do with any deity."
Me using Fallout was just an example... of how ugly it would look. It's better to die then not live with morals... but your right most of aren't perfect and would probably end up doing some evils at the very least.
And everything has to do with G-d, it's really sad you can't see that. Those people forming groups living together in harmony like brothers and sisters.. love.... or that one person all by himself struggling to live day by day fighting his urges to steal or kill for his own survival... and seeing how wrong.
"The fact that "it has to be true 'cause I don't like the alternative" is a weak argument."
It wasn't an arguement.
"Why can't thing you call "truth" be debated? Is it maybe 'cause it has no basis in reality?"
Think about what you asked... why can't the truth be argued about? It's something to accept or deny. If someone asked me... What was your dog's name? I'd say Happy... and it's true and I wouldn't argue about it with people lol It's also Biblical.
"You're a really good sheep."
An insult? What for? I didn't do anything... but you went ahead did it anyways? The Bible prophesied Christians would be insulted, judged and put through hard times for our faith... if I remember correctly specifically just for talking about it.
One of the reasons I stayed Christian. G-d Bless you
All gaming systems, consoles/PC, have thier perks... why fight over preferences? I like Coke and you like Pepsi, that's it, let's not fight over which toy we like best cause that's what they are. Is someone's preference in a toy important or is the relationship between you and your neighbor more important? Answer is obvious, but THE most important thing is your relationship with God almighty. God Bless you in Jesus's name.
I can communicate without talking... I can send a loved one money without actually sending money... and I can commit theft without the product disappearing, the point of theft is the point of theft not one of it's possible symptoms which is the product dissappearing. The thief wants to gain something without paying for it, that's the point of theft, the thief doesn't have to care or anybody else has to care if the product dissappears. The product dissappearing is just a possible symptom of theft. Gifts are sacrfices, in order to give a gift, it has to be a genuine sacrfice/gift, meaning a copy of the game isn't still in your PC. Piracy is theft and/or being a culprit of theft.
