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Kasz216 on 02 August 2010
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venepe said:
TheRealMafoo said:
venepe said:

Well, that is a broad generalization.  First of all, crossing the border without a visa is in fact an illegal act.. So is speeding...The point is not all illegal acts equate to a moral wrong.  Most "illegals" com over out of dire economic need, thus I would say there is hardly any moral wrong.

Second, do you have any idea how hard it is for a poor Mexican person to be able to enter into the US Legally?  I'll answer that...it is practically impossible.  Those who are able to get here legally are usually high-middle class persons who were able to obtain a tourist visa but overstayed.

Third, the statistics you mentioned are bias.  Since Arizona can only "round up illegal aliens" when they are arrested over a state violation then of course a higher percentage of those will have a prior criminal record of some sort.  Now, "criminal record" just means that you commited some type of offense..the most typical one is driving without a license, driving under the influence, and disturbance of the peace.


Answer me this please....

If I had my own country somewhere, and there were only two ways to get here. One was the way I required. Wait in a line to get on a bus, fill out some paperwork, and ride 12 hours in an un-airconditioned bus with 40 other people. The other way was to steal a car.

Everyone who didn't take the bus, is a car thief. Before I even got a chance to hire them, they had to have the disposition that committing a crime for there own needs was ok. You think if I hired the equal amount of people from each pool, I would get the equal quality of employee? 

That's funny!!  Great analogy....I'm glad you are not a judge or an attorney.

Have you ever seen the film (or read the book) Les Miserables?  Basically, the guy is starving and steals a loaf of bread.  He is locked up in jail for that...most poeple think that is unfair.  US Law, State Law think is unfair.  That is why there is a defense called "necessity".

Stealin a car: taking other person's property with intent to permanently deprive him/her of the property is a crime both legally and moraly.  Crossing the US Border without a visa is a crime agaist US Immigration Law, but not necessarily a moral crime.  The intent is not to violate the law to "hurt" the US, the intent of most people in that situation is to work in order to provide for their families and so that their children can have a better future.

Now having said that, it is still illegal thus penalties are in fact in order.  But I wouldn;t called them people predisposed to committing crimes.

To entertain you analogy though...US Immigration laws are more like "Wait in line to get to the bus, but the people with money get in first, then the people with high skill second, third goes the people who promise to return to their countries in 6 months, and everyone else wait for 10 years and we'll see if we have any need for you".

So... you find it wrong that countries want to make sure the people who immigrate will be useful contributors to society.  I would think that would be common sense.   Why would you want a lot of people to immigrate legally if all they are going to have no savings to fall on if they don't get a job immeditaly... for which, they have no qualifications.

Also, your ignoring the fact there are immigration slots open via lottery.