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Smidlee said:
sapphi_snake said:
Smidlee said:
sapphi_snake said:
Smidlee said:
sapphi_snake said:
 


Fascinating... I always thought this "spiritual" experiences were nothing more than hallucinations caused by chemicals in the brain. Thanks for the info, will read the sources you listed.

You haven't heard of the God gene?    :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvijJTjZ8Rg

 The  idea that "spiritual experiences are nothing more than a hallucinations  caused by chemicals in the brain" is also a hallucination caused by chemicals in the brain

What does DMT have to do with genetics? IF you want to worship some desert dweller's hallucinations be my guest.

Just because drugs can make you see an  pink elephant that not really there does not mean that elephants are not real.  An inbalance in the body can make someone who is normally happy to have suicide thoughts which it why we say "That person is not themselves.

Well, for starters pink elephants are not real.
Google DMT and search it's effects and also read testimonials from people who have taken it. Also read the sorces that Armad stated in his posts.

When I first met my wife I did nice things for her because I was in love... in another words I have this warm fuzzy feeling as well sexual impulses. These feeling can be easily be explain by some chemicals in the brain. After being married for years this warm fuzzy feeling fades away.  I learned that unlike when we first met , the feelings comes after the action instead of the action after the feeling. It requires hard work to keep a marriage together but afterward the fuzzy feeling does come back from time to time.  I love my wife more now than I did when we first met.  I wonder if the only love some people ever know of is this fuzzy feeling so they will follow one woman( or man)  after another chasing after the feeling like a junkie on drugs.

There is a huge difference in some drug giving someone some kind of "spiritual" feeling and someone being a spiritual person. Drugs can give someone a false peace, joy, love while in reality their life is falling apart , they will steal from even their mother , and are very unhappy. Anyone who had a loved one hooked on drugs will know the difference. Someone who has real peace and love in their heart will have an effect on their bodies (brain) as well.

You do not understand what DMT does despite my having explained it.  It's not just a hallucination causing chemical every and anytime you have a spiritual feeling, it's a DMT release, small if the feeling is faint, large if you hallucinate.  Trust me I've done a lot of studying on religious rituals and their connection with DMT release and the spiritual high it creates.  I've meditated, spoken in tongues, and even done some of the extreme practices that shamans use to prepare themselves for a spiritual journey.  I've eaten nothing but unsalted fish and plain white rice with water for a month (which puts you into a hallucinatory dreamlike state alone.)  I've spent an entire day in meditation, I've fasted.  All of these religious rituals come from different religions: christianity, buddhism, shamanism, etc.  Yet they all produce the exact same feeling, which is the exact same feeling one feels when they smoke DMT (and yes I've done that too.)

There is no difference between the effect of accidental release of DMT and the high produced through religious practices DMT=spirituality.  Plain and simple.  It's not some drug you get hooked on for the feeling, it is the feeling.  It's the feeling you've felt everytime you've felt spiritual, anytime you feel you've connected with god or whatever you believe in, it's a DMT release.   It's not even correct to call DMT a drug since it's produced endogenously, that means within your own body.  The textbook definition of a drug is "Any substance other than food or water that enters the body" thus since it does not enter the body but is produced within the brain it's not a drug but rather a neurochemical, no different than dopamine.  Which by the way is the chemical which produces that fuzzy feeling you had when you met your wife as well as the fuzzy feeling you get for staying with her.  It's the reward neurochemical and when you feel rewarded you feel good because of dopamine.  Now there is a neurochemical out there that releases during an orgasm (dopamine also releases with an orgasm, along with it's counter part prolactin which causes loss of libido, mood changes/depression; in men the onset is rapid which causes an urge to sleep [no I'm not making this up] and in women it's gradual thus the dopamine and good feeling is prominent for a longer period which makes them want to cuddle) which causes feelings of bonding but I'm hard pressed to remember it's name now, but that chemical is in large part responsible for your continued love for your wife.  The more you have sex with each other the more your brains are told that you are linked with one another.

The chemicals in our brain rule our worlds, like it or not.

And before I post I must remind you of the words of Aldous Huxley "Just because facts are ignored does not make them any less true"

 

Edit: I've found the chemical, it's oxytocin, it releases for birthing/nursing mothers, during sexual arousal and orgasm, and it causes a relief from fear, anxiety, and causes the persont to feel more trusting and thus creating a bonding moment.  Apparently it also inhibits the creation of a tolerance to many addictive drugs which interests me.  It is in my experience that a happy healthy couple of people on average are less likely to develop a habit, tolerance and addiction directly linked as tolerence leads to addiction (the more you need to get you high the more you'll be using, eventually you'll need a lot of the stuff and all the time to satisfy yourself.)  I'll have to look into that.