Why don't you believe in a god?

[Rath]

trestres said:

 

I'm basing myself on what science has said. The universe has boundaries, the universe is expanding.
Plus I don't think you understand what I'm trying to tell you. Beings outside the universe would be immaterial, infinite, atemporal, undivisable. It's impossible to understand since we are in a universe where matter and time are part of our lives. But the fact that matter or time cannot exist by their own, means there's something that has been the source for it. You can't get something out of nothing, that's one of the basic principles of logic.

Several points here. Firstly I don't believe you can't get something out of nothing is a logical axiom, for one thing it relies on causality (everything must have something else as a cause) which is completely linked to time and as such probably does not exist outside of the universe (where time probably doesn't exist)

Secondly what reason do you have to believe that logic itself exists outside of the universe?

Thirdly I believe it is another false dichotomy to assume that the choices are God created the universe or the universe came from nothing. For example Roger Penrose has recently come up with a mathematical model showing that new universes could come about when old universes essentially die.

 

Double post sorry. Something weird with the edit button.