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OKay no number given for the kin charge, They guided EED to be up for the next yr in the mid teens.  Which seems conservative given the sales pace of the new Xbox and kinect preorders have looked pretty strong. Then you have the growth in Xbox live subscriptions and sales. Throw in Halo reach and Gaming Revenue looks to have a good yr.  Don't forget that Windows 7 phone is launching, but we haven't seen any of the phones yet.