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trestres said:
dtewi said:
trestres said:
So who or what made that matter?

Didn't I say I don't know the source?

I can understand your reasoning and it makes some sense, but is that your reasoning for God? The fact that we can't prove matter's source?


Not only matter, but the existance of anything. You can reason by yourself that your existance is not purely material, but espiritual as well. Although here I will be facing off some positivists. But we humans, can reason the existence of God and that we are espiritual beings (soul matter).

There are only two theoretical states. One in which nothing exists and one where existence exists. However, logically the state where nothing exists is impossible. You can't have a point in which nothing exists and then suddenly something exists. This includes God. Some existence had to always exist. Existence exists, it has always been so and will always be so. It is the fundamental axiom of all things.

It matters little whether the thing that has always existed is some form of God or a universe or both. You cannot even prove which is which.

I don't even want to touch on the concept that we can make a sound logical argument that we have souls.



A warrior keeps death on the mind from the moment of their first breath to the moment of their last.