Social Security to be replaced with Welfare.

[thranx]

Soleron said:

thranx said:

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Than the best way to stop all of this waste is to let american people keep the money they earn, and to let them spend it themselves how they need.  People should not be paying 30-50% of their income through various taxations. We are adults we should be able to stand on our on two feet or fall by trying. Government needs to take a step back from running our lives.

Government spending on welfare, national healthcare, state-run education and so on DIRECTLY BENEFITS YOU. That is what people who argue along your lines don't recognise. Having 99% of the population healthy and well educated and not living on the street helps you in hundreds of ways - improving the economy, lowering emergency medical care costs that would have to be paid by the state anyway, reducing crime, reducing paranormal beliefs and religious fundamentalism among the population...

It's just that it's not being spent and guided well, not that these services shouldn't be state run. By excluding the poor people from a number of services because they can't afford to pay it from the "money they earn" alone, you are creating social and economic problems that will cost you directly many times over the cost of welfare.

I agree it would benefit me to have healthy, happy neighbors, but  i disagree on the best way to do it. I personaly believe people can take care of themselves, and letting people take care of themselves and teach their offspring how to care for themselves is better than letting the government do it. Look at how helath and education have declined as more government invovlment has come. By not forcing people to do what they have to to survive we are dragging all of america down to the lowest common denominator instead of bringing it up. Telling me and other adults we cannot take care of our selves (which is what having government parent us means) is not good. It is a bad sign that america needs change.

If your arguing people cannot earn eough at the jobs out there well that is a different beast and there are different ways to tackle it.

 

Edit: I should add, just because some people benifit, and even i benifit it does not make it right. I believe it is helping in the short run, but in the long run we are creating a society that is unsustainable. People will begin to expect handouts and it will slowly deteriorate society. I think it has already begun in inner cities and poor areas.