| sieanr said: sigh... here we go again Limited will look fine on a set that is expecting black to be at 16. Understand this? Limited will look washed out on a set/equipment that expects black at 0. Understand this? The TV expects black at 16, so limited looks fine on their TVs. The capture card is likely expecting black at 0, so since things look fine on their TV at limited you cant deny that the ps3 is capable of much richer colors and it would only look washed out if the set wasnt properly calibrated. i agree that color is dependent on the set, but it is also dependent on the source which is the ps3. Except Full RGB doesn't make the colors any richer. All it does is change the range from dark to light. Limited; Black is at 16 and pure white is at 236 Full; Black is at 0 and pure white is at 255 So all its doing is changing the range over which the image is outputted, understand? Now some TVs expect the 16-236 range, and for those sets everything would look fine. Others expect 0-255 range, and everything would look fine with full. If you had outputted limited to a TV that expects limited and outputted Full to a TV that expects Full things would look identical. You could say that the Full RGB option is better because the output range is a bit larger, which should lead to less banding. However, the general consensus on AVSforums is that the Full option is nothing more than th PS3 "stretching" the Limited option to 0-255. What this means is that there is really no actual advantage to using Full on a properly calibrated set, unless you have everything set up for a YcRcB on Bluray. remember my set can handle Full so there is no detrimental effects that i failed to realize... I was referring to your blanket statement "So Full is better, so how is it detrimental again?", hence the problems you fail to realize since your TV doesn't display them. Also keep in mind that your set should have an option for "video RGB" or "PC RGB" - which is the same as limited or Full. In other words you can see the problems of Full by setting it to Video RGB, and you can see how Limited and Full will produce identical results when thats what the TV expects. Like Naz,Libellule and I said the game should be played in an optimized setting. AC in my set looked a hell of a lot better than their video, and i didnt have black crush nor did i lose shadow detail. which leads me to believe that they half-assed captured the video... And I think you're blowing a minor thing out of proportion. just because where on the internet doesnt mean we can disregard common courtesy and manners... Ive had my fill of keyboard warriors on youtube... on a lighter note: Dood? Disgaea fan? Youtube is serious business. Disgaea owns. |
"Limited will look fine on a set that is expecting black to be at 16. Understand this?
Limited will look washed out on a set/equipment that expects black at 0. Understand this?
The TV expects black at 16, so limited looks fine on their TVs. The capture card is likely expecting black at 0, so since things look fine on their TV at limited"
so you agree that GT gave the ps3 video an unfair comparison because of their settings.
since they left the ps3 at limited on a capture card that expected black at 0 thus making the picture look washed out, thus fueling the ongoing fanboy wars on their forums?
"Now some TVs expect the 16-236 range, and for those sets everything would look fine. Others expect 0-255 range, and everything would look fine with full. If you had outputted limited to a TV that expects limited and outputted Full to a TV that expects Full things would look identical."
yet they outputted limited on a machine that expected full which is detrimental to the picture quality. wouldnt you agree that that is unfair?
"I was referring to your blanket statement "So Full is better, so how is it detrimental again?", hence the problems you fail to realize since your TV doesn't display them. Also keep in mind that your set should have an option for "video RGB" or "PC RGB" - which is the same as limited or Full. In other words you can see the problems of Full by setting it to Video RGB, and you can see how Limited and Full will produce identical results when thats what the TV expects."
also remember i mentioned that the only RGB full/limited difference i have ever experienced is through my own set, which is why i said it looked better, but i guess i was wrong to assume that others would be capable of handling full, and for that i apologize.
"And I think you're blowing a minor thing out of proportion."
youve seen the comparison video of AC, would you describe the difference as minor?
even my parents could see a difference and their not techy people.
"Disgaea owns."
...... hell yeah! though i havent beaten the psp version yet.
thoses prinnies are funny ^^
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