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Akvod on 16 July 2010
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richardhutnik said:
Akvod said:
richardhutnik said:
Dallinor said:

So do gay parents assign different gender roles? Or are they both 'daddy' or 'mommy'?

How do kids in homes where the parents have multiple divorces deal with things?  I believe the idea of gender roles is seen is irrelevant today.  In this discussion, the focus is on people being able to adopt children as the main point.  Not sure anyone cares to think about what is best for the children involved.

And, on this note, I am getting tempted to start a thread on why a rights based ethics system is insufficient for making sound ethical choices.

Is your point that gay couples can't socialize their children in a environment where conventional gender roles are in place? Men and women being in their respective roles, or there being two different roles instead of one?

There's so many problems though, especially if this was going to be legislation.

What are the roles each gender have? Do we make sure hetrosexuals adopt those roles, or do we just assume they'll be carried out? Who decides what the gender roles are?

What about single parents, where only one gender role will be present (one mother, one father). Why not two fathers/mothers?

Why not teach children of responsibilities regardless of gender? Boys should clean up too, girls should aspire to become self sufficient?

Why not accept that sexuality is natural, and that that being so, children will end up straight or homosexual regardless of parentage. Homosexuals developed from hetrosexual couples, why can't hetrosexual couples arise from homosexual?

If a child is gay, then it is very possible that them being raised by gay paretns would ebt e4h best thing.  I would say, irregardless of orientation, the ever rare "normal" man and woman in a happy marriage is likely the best, so the child gets to see both genders as adults is likely the best form.  The issue with single parents is they only get one.  With homosexual parents, they also get one again (in stereo).  Of course, if people want to argue that gender roles are irrelevant, than fine.  One thing one can say about the two parents is that it teaches children through modeling, how to end up raising their own family.

Ok, the main thing here is my concern is the idea of "right" being the basis of this.  When it comes to adoption, the ONLY concern should be who would be best to raise the children.  NOTHING ELSE MATTERS HERE.  When children become some sort of accessory that is used to enable a person to have their "rights" or get "life satisfaction" or "purpose" it is so incredibly backwards, words have a hard time describing how self-serving and wrong it is.  Children aren't pets one has for gratification, or to "get love".  And raising children is a responsibility that needs to be done, for the betterment of everyone here.  But, keep on arguing from a "rights" mindset, and children become playthings which are used to meet the longings and whims of adults.

Hmm, maybe the gender role question should be left to professional sociologist, rather than us. But would you be against single parents, being that they are "mono"?

I think you're misinterpreting things here. The people celebrating aren't celebrating as if gay parents can now just adopt with no questions asked. The thing was that there was not even a possibility they could adopt, fit or not. I agree that gay parents should be held to the same standards as hetrosexual parents who would like to adopt, if they are suited or not. I think all agree here.

The only barrier now, is that you believe that being gay itself makes you inadequate to be a parent.