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ManusJustus on 14 July 2010
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TheRealMafoo said:
ManusJustus said:
TheRealMafoo said:

I 100% disagree with your views. Obama is doing a horrible job, but he gets to keep doing that job for 2.5 more years, baring him doing anything illegal. If my grocery store starts selling poor quality food, I can replace them in an instant.

I buy my gas from Shell. if Shell does something I don't like, I can buy gas from Exxon. In the corporate world, I have complete choices every day of where 100% of my efforts go. In the government world, I have a very small choice once every 2, 4, 6 years where my efforts go.

I take choice any day.

If Obama doesn't do what 50% of Americans do, he is gone in 2 years.  Same goes for every other politician in a democratic system, if they don't keep the people happy then they are gone.  To argue that you don't have choice in a democratic system is insane.

It doesn't matter who you buy gas from, BP will still make the same amount of profit as long as oil prices stay high.  The only way you can affect BP as a consumer is not to buy gasoline.  Not a realistic choice.  Same goes for countless other companies.  For instance, it doesn't matter what grocery store you go to, you have to get your meat from Smithfield or Tyson. I am forced to get internet from Comcast and I am forced to get water from American Water, and if I don't like it then I can wait for my dial-up to load webpages while I take a bath in Dasani water.

I don't care what BP makes, I only care how much I contribute to what they make. I contribute nothing. If someone else fined there product worth buying, then they have all the right in the world to sell it.

Most people have the option to dig a well. I have a well on my property. Now, if you have city water, then that's the best choice, but it's not your only choice. If it is, it's because the government made it your only choice, not business.

DSL and Satellite can be plenty fast. You buy Comcast, because it's the best option.

And I never said you don't have a choice with government, I just said it's infinity smaller of a choice then you have with free enterprise.

Saying you don't care how BP does it just like saying you don't care who is elected president.  If BP is a bad company, then they should go out of business just like a bad president should go out of office.  Unfortunately, many corporations are immune to consumer sentiment because they are so big and dominant in their market.  Every gas station you visit buys oil from BP in one way or another, so you can't choose to hurt if you decide to.  Unlike a democratic government where you continually choose who you vote for.

I don't have the option to buy satellite and DSL, otherwise I would.  What you said about water is laughable.  No, I don't have the option to dig a well, and even if I wanted to the groundwater here is heavily polluted by industry so it would be a big health risk anyway.  What you don't understand about economics (which is sad considering your love affair with businesses) is a concept called natural monopoly.  American water owns the pipe system that delivers water hroughouto the city, and they aren't going to hand those rights to a competitor, so everyone is stuck with their water.  I guess the government could make American Water to share the pipe system with another water company to create competition, but that would be government involvement and you don't like that.

I'm not going to discuss this further with you, it only makes me sad how detached you are from reality and how you influence the same society that I and my family live in.  Long live democracy.