Completely ignoring the logical fallacy that correlation = causation, and also ignoring the issue of just what Toulouse considers to be a hardcore gamer (achievement whores? I dunno), I don't believe gamers in general have been all that wrong in the past, even on some of the points he mentions.
Like the Wii. It is correct that most people scoffed at the Wii when it was unveiled at E305, some even claiming Nintendo would end up third party after it failed miserably, but when Nintendo finally showed some games for the system at E306 (mainly Wii Sports and a reworked version of Twilight Princess), most gamers were quite impressed, while they were simultaneously laughing at Sony's $599 price tag for the ps3. Many people, including me, lined up for a Wii at launch when earlier they had little inclination to do so. I wouldn't consider gamers to be wrong in this case, given they did come around by launch (in stark contrast to Kinect).
The issue was that many gamers later turned on the Wii, at a time when it seemed Nintendo was focused primarily on Wii Fit and third parties were nowhere to be found. They literally wanted the system to fail. Thankfully this last E3 has brought people around again, thanks to all the crazy awesome games Nintendo showed. But like I said, once Nintendo actually showed what the Wii was all about, most people were on board.
There are also numerous instances where gamers were generally right on the money. Like when most gamers turned their back on Sony after they announced the ps3's price tag and crappy launch line up, or the general consensus that the PSP Go would be dead on arrival. Gamers weren't impressed, and both products flopped right out the gate (though the ps3 has managed quite a turnaround over the past few years).
| kowenicki said: Why dont you just comment on the actual interview topic and his main point rather than just "lol" at a couple of small throw-away comments? |
I find that if you post your opinion alongside an article, people often tend to discuss your thoughts on the article rather than the article itself. I generally try to add my own thoughts in later in the thread to avoid this.
| TRios_Zen said: No offense, but I never stated only Microsoft hardcore fans were wrong about anything, nor did I make any comments on Move or Kinects possibilities of success. While your response seems logical to me, and on many points I agree, I'm not sure how that is relevant to the original post. MS employee says hardcore have been wrong before, and in this thread PS3 fans are responding like he kicked thier grandmother or something. YOU heard the podcast, he wasn't being derogatory... he was stating the opinion that the hardcore have been wrong before, and I gave an example of when they have been. |
Hm. I think we've had a slight disconnect here. My comment was solely a reply to the underlined and bolded portion of your previous post. I'm not really sure what you think I was trying to say, but I never intended to imply you said something about one or another group of fans. Guess I should've been more clear in my post. Sorry.
The gist of my response to you was that yeah, gamers haven't exactly been on the ball when it comes to things like the Wii, but Microsoft hasn't been either. Then I just started rambling about how foolish Sony/MS are being with the whole motion control thing lol.
